Kansas Crimson

would you rather a student ath-o-lete ask which of the following:

"how much money in NIL am I going to be able to bring in?"

"how much money under the table am I going to be able to bring in?"

cuz it kinda comes across as if you aren't outraged about players being paid, so much as you are about players being paid "on the open market."

It doesn't come across that way if you pay attention to what he (PDub) has said.

Just about everyone here has bitched about Duke or UK players getting improper benefits in that past. But that talk died down considerably once we got caught up in the FBI stuff and it became clear we were likely engaged in the same types of recruiting tactics with Adidas as they were with Nike.

huh?

nah

particularly ever since the Zion agent allegations, I'd say the dook bitching hasn't died down one bit.

8 million?

I think if you have to wildly exaggerate numbers to make a point, then you probably don't have a very good point.

Marketing Deals Trickle Down From NCAA to High School Sports

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/spor ... s/2888639/

pdub wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 9:34 am https://baltimoresportsandlife.com/nil- ... ery-slope/

"The question now becomes, if there are no clear rules or regulations put in anytime soon, then where do we know to go from here? If The University of Miami and their boosters are really willing to pay Nigel Pack, whose team finished 9th in the Big 12 last year 8 million dollars, then what is your average 5 star recruit really worth on the open market? There are just way too many dangerous doors waiting to be opened, based on the precedent of different players being worth different amounts to different people."

"If this is the future of College Sports, then where exactly are we going from here? Historically, one of the biggest reasons why coaches are hired is their ability to recruit and connect with the kids from a personal level as soon as the recruiting process begins. However, now a lot of these conversations are going to start “How much money in NIL, am I going to be able to bring in?”"

Even for NIL panic, this is sort of silly to the point of the author telling on himself.

"There are just way too many dangerous doors waiting to be opened, based on the precedent of different players being worth different amounts to different people."

Isn't that saying the quiet part out loud? That what we're seeing is the existence of a market that many had been happy to bury their heads in the sand over?

It's also characteristic of the deeply weird (and frankly un-American) perspective people bring to this issue. The "precedent of different [workers] being worth different amounts to different people" is "dangerous?" That's right from the Politburo.

And to the last paragraph...I think it's probably true that the most obvious fat to be trimmed by a more efficient market is in coaching salaries. I think it's probably true that a more democratic recruiting process moves power from the coaches to the players. That's ok!

What do coaches salaries have to do with any of this? They aren't in the same market as the players are.

I agree, the author needs to pump the brakes on the word dangerous.
Maybe say,

"There are just way too many doors that will lead to the ruin of collegiate sports, based on the precedent of different players being worth different amounts to different people"

There are a LOT of college athletes, most of them really, that are 'worth' the value of the scholarship that they are getting.

in a sense, it's frankly un-American to promote just some blanket denial of monetization, or that monetization will make something worse. The talking point is normally, an d could just as easily be, that the FrEe MaRkEt has come to college sports, it'll really up the level of competition and ultimately yield a better product for consumers, right?

but at the same time, exploiting workers for the gain of a select few is American as apple pie. Indeed, we're so conditioned by western capitalist narrative to believe the only time over-monetization is BAD is when more of it is going to those who actually create the wealth. EEEK!

and considering how over-monetized so much of the Merican experience has become, how does one single out college sports as thee outstanding problem among that all?

Unaffordable healthcare? Whatever. Unattainable housing? who cares. Unlivable wages? nbd. Destroying the planet? Not my prob...cuz the REAL problem in this country is NIL...

can we at least get the anti-NIL guys on the pols bored to rant with Qusdahl about it?

"and considering how over-monetized so much of the Merican experience has become, how does one single out college sports as thee outstanding problem among that all?"

Some things just don't have to be about money.
In fact, they shouldn't.
College sports is one of them.

so how do you single out college sports?

Well, we are on a college sports bored.

...which has a pols bored too. Come hang there some time!

if you think NIL is bad, there's a lot of other consequences resulting from monetization that we can rant about too. Stuff that materially matters much more than college sports, even!

either that, or explain to Qusdahl how you can get so worked up about NIL, but not even bat an eye about all the other issues of greed and inequality exhibited in every other facet of life.

pdub wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 9:10 am "and considering how over-monetized so much of the Merican experience has become, how does one single out college sports as thee outstanding problem among that all?"

Some things just don't have to be about money.
In fact, they shouldn't.
College sports is one of them.

Take money out of college basketball and we go back to the time when we were only able to watch a few KU basketball games a year on TV. Hard pass.

I can watch a lot of local high school basketball on TV in a metro area of around 200k.
We don't still live in the 1990's.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 9:55 am ...which has a pols bored too. Come hang there some time!

if you think NIL is bad, there's a lot of other consequences resulting from monetization that we can rant about too. Stuff that materially matters much more than college sports, even!

either that, or explain to Qusdahl how you can get so worked up about NIL, but not even bat an eye about all the other issues of greed and inequality exhibited in every other facet of life.

I'll pass.
That is a shit show of necessary evil.

pdub wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 10:32 am I can watch a lot of local high school basketball on TV in a metro area of around 200k.
We don't still live in the 1990's.

That's great for the local Kansas fans. What about the other 97% of the fan base?

Sigh.

pdub, if a kid got an instagram influencer deal at like age 16, do you think (absent NIL) it would have been “right” for them to be forced to break or not renew their contract if they decided to play college sports?

or if a kid got an instagram influencer deal at like age 16, would The Rules render them ineligible for it?

we've sat guys for entire seasons for less.