COVID-19 - On the Ground

[ousdahl]

Kavanaugh has covid

[twocoach]

I have typed and deleted several responses to that. I'll just try to take the high road and say that I hope it does not spread through the Supreme Court as they have a number of members at high risk given their age.

[ousdahl]

Yeah, it would be a shame if we suddenly had this administration cramming through a bunch of new judges without regard for good faith

[Deleted User 863]

You libs love wishig death on your political opposition....just like the other side.

[ousdahl]

Dude, I said it would be a shame

I wish death upon no one

[twocoach]

You libs love wishig death on your political opposition....just like the other side.

No one did anything of the sort.

[PhDhawk]

Covid is killing rural Americans at twice the rate of people in urban areas
The pandemic is devastating rural America, where lower vaccination rates are compounding the already limited medical care.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-n ... s-n1280369

[MICHHAWK]

i wonder what is considered "rural America?" because i live in what may be considered rural. and the fungus is not "devastating" in my neck of the woods.

[Deleted User 863]

So it's not about stopping the spread? It's just about making sure only vaccinated people are spreading the virus?

Weird way of thinking. Testing is easy to do. Vaccinated people still contract and spread the virus. If my kid can test regularly for school, adults can test regularly for work.

Your reaction to my comment is why some people think this is more about submission than stopping the virus. It's not acceptable for vaccinated people to spread the virus either imo. If it's truly about making the work place safe and covid free then testing is part of that even for the vaccinated.

At a significantly lower rate.

You seem to always leave that important part out.

And ignore what seems to be the most pressing problems at this stage of the pandemic: resource exhaustion and fully opening the economy.

Workplace safety was the topic.

If making the work place as safe as possible/keeping covid from spreading in the office is the goal, then testing of vaccinated individuals is reasonable.

People who don't have the virus can't spread the virus. Both vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals can spread the virus in the workplace if they're infected. I don't want anyone around me who has covid regardless of if they're vaccinated or not.

[MICHHAWK]

i'm fully vaxxed. if and when i start to show symptoms, i will get tested. not until then.

[CrimsonNBlue]

At a significantly lower rate.

You seem to always leave that important part out.

And ignore what seems to be the most pressing problems at this stage of the pandemic: resource exhaustion and fully opening the economy.

Workplace safety was the topic.

If making the work place as safe as possible/keeping covid from spreading in the office is the goal, then testing of vaccinated individuals is reasonable.

People who don't have the virus can't spread the virus. Both vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals can spread the virus in the workplace if they're infected. I don't want anyone around me who has covid regardless of if they're vaccinated or not.

I will preface to say that I am generally in favor of a lot more testing as has been said a million times.


There are differences, though, when it comes to the workplace. First, workplace goals don't necessarily mirror the goals of society at large. In a lot of cases, the restrictions are probably even tighter because of the intrastate and international offices and what that entails. Starting at the vaccine requirement makes a lot of sense. It's the surest, legal, way to help lessen workplace spread. Masks requirement being the number 2. You can also ensure that you can send your workforce anywhere that has regulatory and/or private vaccine requirements.

Second, testing comes with some legal hurdles that vaccines (and masks) do not. Repeat and unannounced mandatory medical examinations are generally prohibited. There are obviously exceptions (i.e. the drug test in DOT jobs), but testing comes with additional tailoring to pass legal muster.

[jfish26]

And ignore what seems to be the most pressing problems at this stage of the pandemic: resource exhaustion and fully opening the economy.

Workplace safety was the topic.

If making the work place as safe as possible/keeping covid from spreading in the office is the goal, then testing of vaccinated individuals is reasonable.

People who don't have the virus can't spread the virus. Both vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals can spread the virus in the workplace if they're infected. I don't want anyone around me who has covid regardless of if they're vaccinated or not.

I will preface to say that I am generally in favor of a lot more testing as has been said a million times.


There are differences, though, when it comes to the workplace. First, workplace goals don't necessarily mirror the goals of society at large. In a lot of cases, the restrictions are probably even tighter because of the intrastate and international offices and what that entails. Starting at the vaccine requirement makes a lot of sense. It's the surest, legal, way to help lessen workplace spread. Masks requirement being the number 2. You can also ensure that you can send your workforce anywhere that has regulatory and/or private vaccine requirements.

Second, testing comes with some legal hurdles that vaccines (and masks) do not. Repeat and unannounced mandatory medical examinations are generally prohibited. There are obviously exceptions (i.e. the drug test in DOT jobs), but testing comes with additional tailoring to pass legal muster.

Obviously a longer conversation, but: workplace vaccination requirements are, primarily, about keeping people working. Right, wrong, fair, unfair, indifferent: all employers don't want you to get sick and miss work (or worse). Right, wrong, fair, unfair, indifferent: most employers, if given truth serum, don't want to know about asymptomatic infections.

[twocoach]

Workplace safety was the topic.

If making the work place as safe as possible/keeping covid from spreading in the office is the goal, then testing of vaccinated individuals is reasonable.

People who don't have the virus can't spread the virus. Both vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals can spread the virus in the workplace if they're infected. I don't want anyone around me who has covid regardless of if they're vaccinated or not.

I will preface to say that I am generally in favor of a lot more testing as has been said a million times.


There are differences, though, when it comes to the workplace. First, workplace goals don't necessarily mirror the goals of society at large. In a lot of cases, the restrictions are probably even tighter because of the intrastate and international offices and what that entails. Starting at the vaccine requirement makes a lot of sense. It's the surest, legal, way to help lessen workplace spread. Masks requirement being the number 2. You can also ensure that you can send your workforce anywhere that has regulatory and/or private vaccine requirements.

Second, testing comes with some legal hurdles that vaccines (and masks) do not. Repeat and unannounced mandatory medical examinations are generally prohibited. There are obviously exceptions (i.e. the drug test in DOT jobs), but testing comes with additional tailoring to pass legal muster.

Obviously a longer conversation, but: workplace vaccination requirements are, primarily, about keeping people working. Right, wrong, fair, unfair, indifferent: all employers don't want you to get sick and miss work (or worse). Right, wrong, fair, unfair, indifferent: most employers, if given truth serum, don't want to know about asymptomatic infections.

Then factor in the cost of buying and processing those tests. A few companies could do it without batting an eye but that would be a crippling expense for many. And that's before paying for legal expenses when some "freedum" employee drags them into court.

[Deleted User 863]

So the cost of testing the vaccinated in addition the the unvaccinated is just too much? That's where we are drawing the line? Eye roll.

[MICHHAWK]

maybe you should strongly consider getting a job where you can work from home full time.

you seem really freaked out.

[CrimsonNBlue]

So the cost of testing the vaccinated in addition the the unvaccinated is just too much? That's where we are drawing the line? Eye roll.

You're suggesting that the companies test everyone (and perhaps even on a twice weekly basis).

The companies don't want to test anyone, ever. Right, wrong, or otherwise, that saves the company money.

[twocoach]

So the cost of testing the vaccinated in addition the the unvaccinated is just too much? That's where we are drawing the line? Eye roll.

I have no idea where you got that conclusion from what I typed. Right now, few companies are doing testing at all, let alone doing proactive testing of every employee at repeated, regular intervals.

To date, my employee, who employs more than 4,200 people, is testing no one. Their expense for testing is zero. How much would it cost them to test all 4,200+ of us 1-2 times a week? 8,500 tests a week for 52 weeks a year is more than 440,000 covid tests. I don't know what the cost per test is. Online you can order them for $10-$40 per test. So you think it's a eye roll for my company to spend between $4 million and $16 million per year on proactively testing employees?

[Overlander]

You libs love wishig death on your political opposition....just like the other side.

So much effort.

[MICHHAWK]

You libs love wishig death on your political opposition....just like the other side.

So much effort.

not really. every time a non liberal gets the fungus one of the whackjobs is quick to point it out.

[MICHHAWK]

oushdale was giddy with glee that he was the first to post the news of bk.