Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:28 am
Kavanaugh has covid
No one did anything of the sort.BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:24 am You libs love wishig death on your political opposition....just like the other side.
Workplace safety was the topic.CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:57 amAnd ignore what seems to be the most pressing problems at this stage of the pandemic: resource exhaustion and fully opening the economy.PhDhawk wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:47 amAt a significantly lower rate.BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 5:56 am
So it's not about stopping the spread? It's just about making sure only vaccinated people are spreading the virus?
Weird way of thinking. Testing is easy to do. Vaccinated people still contract and spread the virus. If my kid can test regularly for school, adults can test regularly for work.
Your reaction to my comment is why some people think this is more about submission than stopping the virus. It's not acceptable for vaccinated people to spread the virus either imo. If it's truly about making the work place safe and covid free then testing is part of that even for the vaccinated.
You seem to always leave that important part out.
I will preface to say that I am generally in favor of a lot more testing as has been said a million times.BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:46 amWorkplace safety was the topic.CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:57 amAnd ignore what seems to be the most pressing problems at this stage of the pandemic: resource exhaustion and fully opening the economy.
If making the work place as safe as possible/keeping covid from spreading in the office is the goal, then testing of vaccinated individuals is reasonable.
People who don't have the virus can't spread the virus. Both vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals can spread the virus in the workplace if they're infected. I don't want anyone around me who has covid regardless of if they're vaccinated or not.
Obviously a longer conversation, but: workplace vaccination requirements are, primarily, about keeping people working. Right, wrong, fair, unfair, indifferent: all employers don't want you to get sick and miss work (or worse). Right, wrong, fair, unfair, indifferent: most employers, if given truth serum, don't want to know about asymptomatic infections.CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:56 amI will preface to say that I am generally in favor of a lot more testing as has been said a million times.BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:46 amWorkplace safety was the topic.CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:57 am
And ignore what seems to be the most pressing problems at this stage of the pandemic: resource exhaustion and fully opening the economy.
If making the work place as safe as possible/keeping covid from spreading in the office is the goal, then testing of vaccinated individuals is reasonable.
People who don't have the virus can't spread the virus. Both vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals can spread the virus in the workplace if they're infected. I don't want anyone around me who has covid regardless of if they're vaccinated or not.
There are differences, though, when it comes to the workplace. First, workplace goals don't necessarily mirror the goals of society at large. In a lot of cases, the restrictions are probably even tighter because of the intrastate and international offices and what that entails. Starting at the vaccine requirement makes a lot of sense. It's the surest, legal, way to help lessen workplace spread. Masks requirement being the number 2. You can also ensure that you can send your workforce anywhere that has regulatory and/or private vaccine requirements.
Second, testing comes with some legal hurdles that vaccines (and masks) do not. Repeat and unannounced mandatory medical examinations are generally prohibited. There are obviously exceptions (i.e. the drug test in DOT jobs), but testing comes with additional tailoring to pass legal muster.
Then factor in the cost of buying and processing those tests. A few companies could do it without batting an eye but that would be a crippling expense for many. And that's before paying for legal expenses when some "freedum" employee drags them into court.jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 12:30 pmObviously a longer conversation, but: workplace vaccination requirements are, primarily, about keeping people working. Right, wrong, fair, unfair, indifferent: all employers don't want you to get sick and miss work (or worse). Right, wrong, fair, unfair, indifferent: most employers, if given truth serum, don't want to know about asymptomatic infections.CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:56 amI will preface to say that I am generally in favor of a lot more testing as has been said a million times.BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:46 am
Workplace safety was the topic.
If making the work place as safe as possible/keeping covid from spreading in the office is the goal, then testing of vaccinated individuals is reasonable.
People who don't have the virus can't spread the virus. Both vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals can spread the virus in the workplace if they're infected. I don't want anyone around me who has covid regardless of if they're vaccinated or not.
There are differences, though, when it comes to the workplace. First, workplace goals don't necessarily mirror the goals of society at large. In a lot of cases, the restrictions are probably even tighter because of the intrastate and international offices and what that entails. Starting at the vaccine requirement makes a lot of sense. It's the surest, legal, way to help lessen workplace spread. Masks requirement being the number 2. You can also ensure that you can send your workforce anywhere that has regulatory and/or private vaccine requirements.
Second, testing comes with some legal hurdles that vaccines (and masks) do not. Repeat and unannounced mandatory medical examinations are generally prohibited. There are obviously exceptions (i.e. the drug test in DOT jobs), but testing comes with additional tailoring to pass legal muster.
You're suggesting that the companies test everyone (and perhaps even on a twice weekly basis).BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 12:52 pm So the cost of testing the vaccinated in addition the the unvaccinated is just too much? That's where we are drawing the line? Eye roll.
I have no idea where you got that conclusion from what I typed. Right now, few companies are doing testing at all, let alone doing proactive testing of every employee at repeated, regular intervals.BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 12:52 pm So the cost of testing the vaccinated in addition the the unvaccinated is just too much? That's where we are drawing the line? Eye roll.
So much effort.BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:24 am You libs love wishig death on your political opposition....just like the other side.
not really. every time a non liberal gets the fungus one of the whackjobs is quick to point it out.Overlander wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:12 pmSo much effort.BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:24 am You libs love wishig death on your political opposition....just like the other side.