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Much like we have no exact idea how to solve all the endless issues that will come with NIL, I don't have the exact idea how to solve all the endless issues that would come with restricting it in CBB.

I'd say, yes, you'd have to end your agreement if you wanted to enter college, so to avoid loopholes to recruit players through NIL.
But you don't have to play in college if the NIL agreement was worth more to you than college.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 11:07 am or if a kid got an instagram influencer deal at like age 16, would The Rules render them ineligible for it?

we've sat guys for entire seasons for less.

The issue gets even less clear when you think through the implications of these kids being minors at the time their NIL begins to be something of material value. It's always been horseshit that kids have been punished (by being held out or suspended) for things they had nothing to do with.

Obviously if the speed limit is 30 you'll still have people going 60 on it when no one is looking.
But, if you caught them, the punishment should be exactly the same for lawyers driving luxury SUV's and fishing guides driving a roommates Toyota Camry.

Neato.

Back to the conversation.

What do you do with a kid whose parent/guardian/handler/whomever sold the kid's NIL when the kid was a minor? Tell him he's SoL, no college for him, he can take it up with whomever took the cash?

but beav drives a jeep

You'd have to look at the specific incident -- if it was clear that the kid was unknowing about the situation, then you'd reassess. If the kid is starring in shoe ads, where he's on set getting his photo taken, that's a situation where the kid knows what is happening.

You'd make it very clear that any NIL $$ exchanged within x number of days of enrolling in a school would make a kid ineligible for that season.

good luck to those tasked with untangling this $#!t show of a mess.

considering where we were a year ago. it would have seemed impossible that they could make it worse. but they did.

have fun with it.

pdub wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 11:49 am You'd have to look at the specific incident -- if it was clear that the kid was unknowing about the situation, then you'd reassess. If the kid is starring in shoe ads, where he's on set getting his photo taken, that's a situation where the kid knows what is happening.

You'd make it very clear that any NIL $$ exchanged within x number of days of enrolling in a school would make a kid ineligible for that season.

This is the problem with facts-and-circumstances tests generally, isn’t it? They’re really problematic in practice.

I’m not saying there’s anything inherently wrong with what you suggest. I think your intent is well-meaning. But, all we’d be doing is recreating the circumstances that let the black market flourish to begin with (the middleman-centric, plausible deniability theater, where there is no consistency to the rules themselves, let alone the enforcement of them).

And that doesn’t really address the capacity issue here.

There are good reasons that minors are not generally considered competent to enter into contracts on their own (to the degree that a court will find the contract enforceable, anyway). A minor who is on camera doing something could certainly be BOTH (1) objectively aware of what is happening, and (2) not legally capable of consenting to what is happening.

To be a BILLION percent clear: I am NOT saying that a basketball player getting taken advantage of for his or her NIL is anywhere near the same thing as other ways in which minors are exploited by adults who make money off of minors. But the point is: I think we should be EXTREMELY skeptical of any rules or enforcement practices that punish kids for actions taken by adults.

My PERSONAL view is that I’d rather the system err on the side of not catching every actual offender, over punishing non-offenders. Particularly when the enforcement stakes here are so inconsequential (although a matter of bored life and death).

"But, all we’d be doing is recreating the circumstances that let the black market flourish to begin with"

Obviously if the speed limit is 30 you'll still have people going 60 on it when no one is looking.

And the market for this would be less if the bloat of $$ was squeezed out of college athletics.

I would also add that the average high school student athlete trying to enter college isn't trying to sign NIL deals. This goes back to my belief that if you took the best 50-100 blue chip recruits out of CBB, it would still be a very very watchable product.

pdub wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 12:29 pm "But, all we’d be doing is recreating the circumstances that let the black market flourish to begin with"

Obviously if the speed limit is 30 you'll still have people going 60 on it when no one is looking.

And the market for this would be less if the bloat of $$ was squeezed out of college athletics.

Again, no fundamental disagreement from me there (obviously we have a severe difference of opinion on what would happen to college basketball as a result, but so be it).

Lol. Hopeless.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/sto ... nil-market

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The NCAA Doesn’t Know How To Stop Boosters From Playing The NIL Game

Tyrese Hunter to visit:

https://amp.kansascity.com/sports/colle ... 00407.html

Courtney Ramey is showing some interest in KU...not sure if the interest is mutual, though.

InfiniteJ wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 6:57 pm Courtney Ramey is showing some interest in KU...not sure if the interest is mutual, though.

A cabernet to follow the cognac?

Not sure if anyone posted it yet. But Tyrese hunter, that stud Iowa st freshman point guard (had KU on his list) commited to texas. pretty big pick up for them. Hunter was probably one the best transfers this season

https://247sports.com/college/louisvill ... 88073114_1

Too bad. Especially with Braun staying in, Hunter was the transfer I wanted most. Seems like a guy who’s already solid, has a lot of room to grow, and won’t be leaving for the draft after next season.

A back court of Harris and Hunter would have been brutal shooting threes but elite defenders. I think KU can do better than him from a fit perspective.

twocoach wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 2:42 pm A back court of Harris and Hunter would have been brutal shooting threes but elite defenders. I think KU can do better than him from a fit perspective.

Tyrese Hunter 3pt % = 27.4
Dajuan Harris 3pt % = 38.2

Agree we didn't need Hunter. Not with Yes and Bobby with a year under their belt at KU already.