PhDhawk wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:57 pm
Factual.
Math.
These things aren't debatable.
You're just wrong.
We are reporting the same statistics. You just claim its justification for panic and mandates and I see it as evidence the virus isn't that deadly to most people
So that's the debate. Its not really a right or wrong situation. You are just too close minded to see it
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:31 pm
by randylahey
Covid is a virus that's killing about 1 percent of humans. Maybe less when you factor in vaccines etc
Humans are a plague thats killing lets say 90% (impossible to have a perfect stat but its grim) of all forms of life of earth. Most species are either threatened, endangered, a lot have gone extinct recently.
Tell me whats the real issue people should be worried about??
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:31 pm
by PhDhawk
You've said the vaccines don't work with no evidence. I've posted tons of peer reviewed data that shows that they do. You never post ANY data.
You made up the 1% number. John's Hopkins says the lethality is 1.6% in the US and that's in spite of vaccinated people lowering that number significantly.
You seem to think that you can predict the outcome of an infection before being sick with certainty, which isn't true. You ignore and downplay comorbidities. Vaccines reduce transmission and I've posted data to show that, but you instead exaggerate the rate of transmission among vaccinated...and on and on.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:35 pm
by PhDhawk
What are you doing to protect the environment or preserve species diversity? Certainly nothing here, all you do is bitch and moan using false numbers that the pandemic isn't a big problem. Are you doing anything to promote population control other than being a douche bag pretending human death doesn't matter?
This just helps to show how small and insignificant 700,00 dead American lives is.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:03 pm
by Deleted User 863
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:26 am
by randylahey
PhDhawk wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:31 pm
You've said the vaccines don't work with no evidence. I've posted tons of peer reviewed data that shows that they do. You never post ANY data.
You made up the 1% number. John's Hopkins says the lethality is 1.6% in the US and that's in spite of vaccinated people lowering that number significantly.
You seem to think that you can predict the outcome of an infection before being sick with certainty, which isn't true. You ignore and downplay comorbidities. Vaccines reduce transmission and I've posted data to show that, but you instead exaggerate the rate of transmission among vaccinated...and on and on.
so your argument is based on the fact that I rounded to an even 1 percent instead of saying 1.6? lol just stop talking
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:28 am
by randylahey
PhDhawk wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:31 pm
You've said the vaccines don't work with no evidence. I've posted tons of peer reviewed data that shows that they do. You never post ANY data.
You made up the 1% number. John's Hopkins says the lethality is 1.6% in the US and that's in spite of vaccinated people lowering that number significantly.
You seem to think that you can predict the outcome of an infection before being sick with certainty, which isn't true. You ignore and downplay comorbidities. Vaccines reduce transmission and I've posted data to show that, but you instead exaggerate the rate of transmission among vaccinated...and on and on.
are you denying that vaccinated people can still contract and transmit covid? are you denying that vaccinated people have died from covid?
both of those things can easily be researched. its well documented. find your own articles. I know youve seen them
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:30 am
by randylahey
PhDhawk wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:31 pm
You've said the vaccines don't work with no evidence. I've posted tons of peer reviewed data that shows that they do. You never post ANY data.
You made up the 1% number. John's Hopkins says the lethality is 1.6% in the US and that's in spite of vaccinated people lowering that number significantly.
You seem to think that you can predict the outcome of an infection before being sick with certainty, which isn't true. You ignore and downplay comorbidities. Vaccines reduce transmission and I've posted data to show that, but you instead exaggerate the rate of transmission among vaccinated...and on and on.
so no. the 1 percent number isnt made up. we have known since the very beginning that about 1-2 percent mortality rate is there, depending on when and where data was gathered. i've never tried to predict any outcome. all ive stated is worst case scenario is you have like a 98/99 percent survival rate, and 98/99 percent is really fucking good odds no matter what the situation is
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:30 am
by sdoyel
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:33 am
by randylahey
and yes. you can still get sick or have complications without dying. but who cares. you can get health issues from infinite other factors besides covid. the whole idea behind all this was to save lives right? thats why the 1 percent death rate seems more relevant to the discussion
PhDhawk wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:31 pm
You've said the vaccines don't work with no evidence. I've posted tons of peer reviewed data that shows that they do. You never post ANY data.
You made up the 1% number. John's Hopkins says the lethality is 1.6% in the US and that's in spite of vaccinated people lowering that number significantly.
You seem to think that you can predict the outcome of an infection before being sick with certainty, which isn't true. You ignore and downplay comorbidities. Vaccines reduce transmission and I've posted data to show that, but you instead exaggerate the rate of transmission among vaccinated...and on and on.
are you denying that vaccinated people can still contract and transmit covid? are you denying that vaccinated people have died from covid?
both of those things can easily be researched. its well documented. find your own articles. I know youve seen them
At a significantly reduced rate. That's the headline dummy. The vax works. You want to focus on the negative instead of the facts.
PhDhawk wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:31 pm
You've said the vaccines don't work with no evidence. I've posted tons of peer reviewed data that shows that they do. You never post ANY data.
You made up the 1% number. John's Hopkins says the lethality is 1.6% in the US and that's in spite of vaccinated people lowering that number significantly.
You seem to think that you can predict the outcome of an infection before being sick with certainty, which isn't true. You ignore and downplay comorbidities. Vaccines reduce transmission and I've posted data to show that, but you instead exaggerate the rate of transmission among vaccinated...and on and on.
are you denying that vaccinated people can still contract and transmit covid? are you denying that vaccinated people have died from covid?
both of those things can easily be researched. its well documented. find your own articles. I know youve seen them
At a significantly reduced rate. That's the headline dummy. The vax works. You want to focus on the negative instead of the facts.
it improves your odds yes, I've never said otherwise. but is it really necessary to improve your odds from 99 percent to 99.9? seems kind of pointless for a lot of people. certainly not anything that should be forced on anyone that isn't interested. depending on peoples lives/situations, there really is no point in getting it.
I wouldn't call a 1 percent increase significant
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:46 am
by randylahey
and I'm sure you are about to say it decreases transmission. it does. but so what. anyone that gets covid still has that 99 percent chance of beating it. and the vast majority is well equipped to ride it out at home. no medical treatment whatsoever. people are always going to contract/transmit viruses. this is nothing new I'm not sure why you are suddenly so terrified of that fact
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:47 am
by PhDhawk
randylahey wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:33 am
and yes. you can still get sick or have complications without dying. but who cares. you can get health issues from infinite other factors besides covid. the whole idea behind all this was to save lives right? thats why the 1 percent death rate seems more relevant to the discussion
You're arguing both sides dummy. You argue people need to be healthier, and the people who die deserve it because they have other ailments, but then when the virus causes the same ailments it's no big deal.
It was never about ONLY saving lives. That's so dumb. Do you ever want to be sick? No one with half a brain says who cares about organ damage.
The entire purpose of mitigation eay on was to flatten the curve to not overwhelm hospitals.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:48 am
by randylahey
The point is nothing about covid justifies totalitarian medical mandates on people that don't want them. I don't think anything could happen ever that would justify a government coercing/mandating medical treatments on a whole population. it is just flat out wrong. that is the kind of shit the nazis were doing to the jews back in the day
randylahey wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:33 am
and yes. you can still get sick or have complications without dying. but who cares. you can get health issues from infinite other factors besides covid. the whole idea behind all this was to save lives right? thats why the 1 percent death rate seems more relevant to the discussion
You're arguing both sides dummy. You argue people need to be healthier, and the people who die deserve it because they have other ailments, but then when the virus causes the same ailments it's no big deal.
It was never about ONLY saving lives. That's so dumb. Do you ever want to be sick? No one with half a brain says who cares about organ damage.
The entire purpose of mitigation eay on was to flatten the curve to not overwhelm hospitals.
I'm not willing to submit my country to an authoritarian government takeover of peoples right to their own bodies and medical decisions just because some sensitive people are scared some people will get sick. America is waking up. you and your triggered liberal friends need to wake up as well. there is so much more going on than some minor virus with a low mortality rate
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:53 am
by PhDhawk
randylahey wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:46 am
and I'm sure you are about to say it decreases transmission. it does. but so what. anyone that gets covid still has that 99 percent chance of beating it. and the vast majority is well equipped to ride it out at home. no medical treatment whatsoever. people are always going to contract/transmit viruses. this is nothing new I'm not sure why you are suddenly so terrified of that fact
Because if a million people get it, 2,000 people die, 370,000 have side effects. If 1,000 people get it and they're all vaccinated...probably none die and very few have side effects.
If infectivity is reduced, symptoms are less severe, and less death....THAT'S A GOOD THING.
You want to create dead ends, and that happens when you have high rates if vaccination, even if some have breakthroughs. Unvaccinated leads to logarithmic spread.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:54 am
by PhDhawk
You're an idiot. Stop posting. You're saying some real ignorant shit now.