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Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:55 am
by PhDhawk
The vaccines are safe and effective.
There's no evidence that says anything different.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:56 am
by PhDhawk
randylahey wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:48 am
The point is nothing about covid justifies totalitarian medical mandates on people that don't want them. I don't think anything could happen ever that would justify a government coercing/mandating medical treatments on a whole population. it is just flat out wrong.
that is the kind of shit the nazis were doing to the jews back in the day
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:04 am
by randylahey
the world has seen plenty of pandemics before. they all came to an end. before vaccines were even within human capability, pandemics still came to an end. its just how nature works, a virus runs its course. a small percent dies off and our immune systems and viruses will find some balance
forcing everyone to get vaccines forces us to credit the vaccine for ending the pandemic. and forces us to give credit to the politicians that demanded it. that may not be the case. the pandemic will be coming to an end either way. vaccines may have helped but were never NEEDED for the pandemic to end.
so who really gives a fuck? you do obviously. and your raging liberal friends. but most sensible people don't at this point. we will sleep fine while you are up triggered all night
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:09 am
by randylahey
PhDhawk wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:56 am
randylahey wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:48 am
The point is nothing about covid justifies totalitarian medical mandates on people that don't want them. I don't think anything could happen ever that would justify a government coercing/mandating medical treatments on a whole population. it is just flat out wrong.
that is the kind of shit the nazis were doing to the jews back in the day
The Nazis literally labeled the jews as disease carriers, claimed they were responsible for the spread of typhus. They tried to convince people they needed to cleanse the world of jews to cleanse and protect the population from disease. they often used propaganda like this against their political opponents. Have you ever researched history? It's important to learn from
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:11 am
by randylahey
and the democrats are using the same tactics by trying to label "the unvaccinated" as the disease spreaders. when we know for a fact anyone with covid can spread the virus. vaccinated or not. most people at any given time do not actively have covid. their and negatives that make the vaccinated more likely to spread it in some ways, like being less symptomatic and not realizing they have it, or being more likely to attend big events with lots of people
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:12 am
by PhDhawk
I've never mentioned politics. I've never advocated govt mandates.
I post data. The data says the vaccine is safe and effective. Everyone should get vaccinated. That's what the evidence shows.
If you were truly open minded, you'd have come to that conclusion. It's inarguable.
You let politics and emotion and fear take over. You ignore data. Don't understand numbers. So you're digging your heals in.
Scared wimps like you who are afraid of needles are why we're here. You tell yourself you're being Patrick Henry when really you're just being a dumb scared baby pretending you're standing up to authority when in reality you're just fighting against a safe and effective preventative vaccine
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:14 am
by PhDhawk
randylahey wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:11 am
and the democrats are using the same tactics by trying to label "the unvaccinated" as the disease spreaders. when we know for a fact anyone with covid can spread the virus. vaccinated or not. most people at any given time do not actively have covid. their and negatives that make the vaccinated more likely to spread it in some ways, like being less symptomatic and not realizing they have it, or being more likely to attend big events with lots of people
Sober drivers cause accidents, so there's no reason not to drink and drive.
That logic is idiotic.
One behavior is wreckless, the other isn't perfect, but it's significantly better and comes with essentially no downside.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:16 am
by randylahey
the democrats also want to disarm the population and do away with the 2A. biden and harris have both spoke against it. so did obama. They claim they want to limit our right to bare arms "for our safety"
If you revisit history, you'll discover the nazis also did this same exact thing. They claimed it was for the "safety of our children" and used that to manipulate their political opponents into disarming themselves. its a clever tactic. If you fast forward to modern times, you'll see the same thing being used. These school shootings that get so much publicity by the liberal media and democratic politicians, and the manipulation behind getting people to willingly disarm themselves and demand others to do the same
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:16 am
by randylahey
PhDhawk wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:14 am
randylahey wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:11 am
and the democrats are using the same tactics by trying to label "the unvaccinated" as the disease spreaders. when we know for a fact anyone with covid can spread the virus. vaccinated or not. most people at any given time do not actively have covid. their and negatives that make the vaccinated more likely to spread it in some ways, like being less symptomatic and not realizing they have it, or being more likely to attend big events with lots of people
Sober drivers cause accidents, so there's no reason not to drink and drive.
That logic is idiotic.
One behavior is wreckless, the other isn't perfect, but it's significantly better and comes with essentially no downside.
that analogy is wasted because its completely different. alcohol and cars has nothing to do with this. stretched too far
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:19 am
by randylahey
PhDhawk wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:12 am
I've never mentioned politics. I've never advocated govt mandates.
I post data. The data says the vaccine is safe and effective. Everyone should get vaccinated. That's what the evidence shows.
If you were truly open minded, you'd have come to that conclusion. It's inarguable.
You let politics and emotion and fear take over. You ignore data. Don't understand numbers. So you're digging your heals in.
Scared wimps like you who are afraid of needles are why we're here. You tell yourself you're being Patrick Henry when really you're just being a dumb scared baby pretending you're standing up to authority when in reality you're just fighting against a safe and effective preventative vaccine
I got the shot. so that destroys this argument too. I am vaccinated and support other people doing so if they choose to
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:20 am
by randylahey
covid is political, face it. yes a virus exists, and its being manipulated out of control. and it needs to stop. our own government is the biggest threat we have to liberty. and its been that way for decades now.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:22 am
by PhDhawk
Use illys analogy of the smoke detector then.
The analogy doesn't matter. You ignore that vaccinated people have a reduced rate of getting the virus, if they do get it they transmit it at a lower rate, they have reduced severity, and are less likely to die.
It's the right move acting selflessly and acting out of self interest.
Infections still happen after some surgeries, should surgeons go back to not washing their hands?
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:22 am
by PhDhawk
randylahey wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:20 am
covid is political, face it.
Not for me.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:25 am
by PhDhawk
randylahey wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:19 am
I am vaccinated and support other people doing so
Fixed your last sentence.
Nothing you've posted supports that you're anything but a closeted antivaxxer.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:27 am
by randylahey
PhDhawk wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:22 am
Use illys analogy of the smoke detector then.
The analogy doesn't matter. You ignore that vaccinated people have a reduced rate of getting the virus, if they do get it they transmit it at a lower rate, they have reduced severity, and are less likely to die.
It's the right move acting selflessly and acting out of self interest.
Infections still happen after some surgeries, should surgeons go back to not washing their hands?
you continue to try to use analogies, they just don't fit. analogies don't explain a complicated blend of vaccine/virus/politics/mandates/rights. there is so much more intermixed than an analogy about a surgeon washing their hands or a smoke detector. doesn't translate. Ive said myself vaccines reduces the risk of getting this virus, have not ignored it.
BUT THAT DOESNT MAKE IT NECESSARY FOR EVERYONE. people must always have a right to their own medical decisions
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:29 am
by randylahey
PhDhawk wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:25 am
randylahey wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:19 am
I am vaccinated and support other people doing so
Fixed your last sentence.
Nothing you've posted supports that you're anything but a closeted antivaxxer.
except the fact that i am vaccinated and support other people doing so. and I support people making the choice not to as well. its their choice. clearly not antivax. you have no argument
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:33 am
by randylahey
What you are claiming about me (a vaccinated person who is for people's right to decide if they want to get vaccinated) is that i am anti-vax.
That is the equivalent of you accusing someone who is pro choice in regards to abortion
of being anti-baby and not wanting any babies to be born.
once again. you have no argument
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:33 am
by PhDhawk
randylahey wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:27 am
PhDhawk wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:22 am
Use illys analogy of the smoke detector then.
The analogy doesn't matter. You ignore that vaccinated people have a reduced rate of getting the virus, if they do get it they transmit it at a lower rate, they have reduced severity, and are less likely to die.
It's the right move acting selflessly and acting out of self interest.
Infections still happen after some surgeries, should surgeons go back to not washing their hands?
you continue to try to use analogies, they just don't fit. analogies don't explain a complicated blend of vaccine/virus/politics/mandates/rights. there is so much more intermixed than an analogy about a surgeon washing their hands or a smoke detector. doesn't translate. Ive said myself vaccines reduces the risk of getting this virus, have not ignored it.
BUT THAT DOESNT MAKE IT NECESSARY FOR EVERYONE. people must always have a right to their own medical decisions
It's not as complicated as you're trying to make it. The vaccine is safe and effective the virus is bad.
That's it.
People should get vaccinated.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:34 am
by randylahey
PhDhawk wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:22 am
randylahey wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:20 am
covid is political, face it.
Not for me.
Then you are blind. its been the biggest political event in this country since 9/11. Bigger IMO
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:36 am
by PhDhawk
randylahey wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:33 am
What you are claiming about me (a vaccinated person who is for people's right to decide if they want to get vaccinated) is that i am anti-vax.
That is the equivalent of you accusing someone who is pro choice in regards to abortion
of being anti-baby and not wanting any babies to be born.
once again. you have no argument
You're posting record says otherwise.
You clearly don't understand simple math or epidemiology. You're spreading bullshit and you're being called on it and melting down about it.