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https://sports.yahoo.com/draymond-green ... 57091.html

draymond green of all people sticking up for wiggs. lebron retweeted it and thought the same thing. the insanity of this vaccine push has become purely political at this point

Overlander wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:55 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:18 pm

sdoyel wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:12 pm

Isn’t the GOP trying to control what our kids learn in school? Do you think Germany no longer teaches about the Nazi regime in history class???

The two are fighting over control of what our kids are taught. the public schools are government funded and government regulated, we might as well call them government schools at this point. there are teachers who are openly trying to indoctrinate kids based on their political beliefs.

the real sad thing about our school system, is that don't actually teach you any life skills these days. most kids memorize useless knowledge that they never use in the real world. but they get out of high school with no clue about things like paying bills, doing their taxes, mortgages, managing finances, gardening/hunting or how to provide their own foods, investing, etc.

Yeah, my parents taught me this shit.

Exactly. Schools should teach what parents are not able to teach, like organic chemistry, particle physics and differential calculus……actually some of us taught our kids some of these, but you get the point. I taught my girls how to balance a checking account and manage revolving credit when they were in 11th grade. They have been doing their own taxes for the past couple of years (they are in their early 20s).

randylahey wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:55 pm https://www.science.org/content/article ... ains-vital

heres a source for you. A large scale study done is israel. Showing that people who had already been infected with covid are much more resistant and less likely to get covid than people who have been vaccinated. Like I've been saying all along, the natural human immune system is a very powerful thing. Millions of americans have already had covid, the ones that beat covid (98/99% of people that had covid) do not need vaccines because the immune system develops a stronger defense than a vaccine can provide

That study shows the benefit of being vaccinated. It's not a reason to not be vaccinated.

From the article:

The study shows the benefits of natural immunity, but “doesn’t take into account what this virus does to the body to get to that point,” says Marion Pepper, an immunologist at the University of Washington, Seattle. COVID-19 has already killed more than 4 million people worldwide and there are concerns that Delta and other SARS-CoV-2 variants are deadlier than the original virus.

And

They show, Nussenzweig says, that the immune systems of people who develop natural immunity to SARS-CoV-2 and then get vaccinated produce exceptionally broad and potent antibodies against the coronavirus. The preprint, for example, reported that people who were previously infected and then vaccinated with an mRNA vaccine had antibodies in their blood that neutralized the infectivity of another virus, harmless to humans, that was engineered to express a version of the coronavirus spike protein that contains 20 concerning mutations.

So. The study would lead to the conclusion that people who haven't been infected should get vaccinated because if they do get sick it will be less severe and less lethal. If you've already been infected, a vaccine makes you MORE immune.

The only thing that study might suggest is that someone who was infected might only need one vaccination rather than two shots.

I do think that senior year in high school there should be a course that speeds through a lot of what randy mentioned ( not the nazi shit but the balancing your checking and savings/prepping to being an adult ).

randylahey wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:58 pm

Overlander wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:54 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:37 am

trump defends the constitution at least.

I cannot. stop.laughing at your stupidity.

well you clearly don't pay attention to politics. which amendment in the constitution did he want to change? Biden has repeatedly made comments about it being outdated and wanting to change it. This countries government was built to serve the people. BY THE PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE

See what I mean?

A wise man once said "Your posts speak for themselves".

This has definitely become a political thread, obviously, but if you still support Trump after Jan 6, ( and I'd argue before that...just dont vote ) you are an idiot.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:14 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:55 pm https://www.science.org/content/article ... ains-vital

heres a source for you. A large scale study done is israel. Showing that people who had already been infected with covid are much more resistant and less likely to get covid than people who have been vaccinated. Like I've been saying all along, the natural human immune system is a very powerful thing. Millions of americans have already had covid, the ones that beat covid (98/99% of people that had covid) do not need vaccines because the immune system develops a stronger defense than a vaccine can provide

That study shows the benefit of being vaccinated. It's not a reason to not be vaccinated.

From the article:

The study shows the benefits of natural immunity, but “doesn’t take into account what this virus does to the body to get to that point,” says Marion Pepper, an immunologist at the University of Washington, Seattle. COVID-19 has already killed more than 4 million people worldwide and there are concerns that Delta and other SARS-CoV-2 variants are deadlier than the original virus.

And

They show, Nussenzweig says, that the immune systems of people who develop natural immunity to SARS-CoV-2 and then get vaccinated produce exceptionally broad and potent antibodies against the coronavirus. The preprint, for example, reported that people who were previously infected and then vaccinated with an mRNA vaccine had antibodies in their blood that neutralized the infectivity of another virus, harmless to humans, that was engineered to express a version of the coronavirus spike protein that contains 20 concerning mutations.

So. The study would lead to the conclusion that people who haven't been infected should get vaccinated because if they do get sick it will be less severe and less lethal. If you've already been infected, a vaccine makes you MORE immune.

The only thing that study might suggest is that someone who was infected might only need one vaccination rather than two shots.

I just read the actual research paper. The big difference they saw was only when they compared immunity of people who were infected with the delta variant to vaccinated against infection with the delta variant.

That an apples to oranges comparison since the vaccine was designed against the wild type strain.

When they compared vaccines to people infected earlier (the alpha variant) the difference between the two were much more similar.

So it's not a matter of natural immunity vs vaccine immunity as much as it is immunity to delta vs alpha in terms of protection against Delta. So if you got sick last winter, these results don't apply to you, because you'd have been infected with alpha.

This study also admitted that the antibody response to natural infection was not as good as vaccines, while the B cell response was better in those who were infected.

This study, https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=e ... cie1U1yWcJ
Showed that the T cell response was the same for both.

And the real big difference is the vaccine is safe and has almost no serious side effects whereas the virus has all kinds of long term complications as well as about a 2% chance of killing you. You also can't control when or if you get infected or what the dose is like you can with the vaccine.

Overlander wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:17 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:58 pm

Overlander wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:54 pm

I cannot. stop.laughing at your stupidity.

well you clearly don't pay attention to politics. which amendment in the constitution did he want to change? Biden has repeatedly made comments about it being outdated and wanting to change it. This countries government was built to serve the people. BY THE PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE

See what I mean?

A wise man once said "Your posts speak for themselves".

Randy believes what he want's to believe.
I believe what I want to believe.......

https://www.cato.org/commentary/exit-su ... l-misdeeds

https://www.theusconstitution.org/blog/ ... stitution/

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... on/618097/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... ronavirus/

https://www.googleadservices.com/pagead ... CEAE&dct=1

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/ ... 817963002/

I don't want to support randy but I'm guessing if you got infected with an earlier strain of covid, and say showed no symptoms or mild ones, that you could feel confident that you'd be protected and or unlikely to be seriouslt I'll or hospitalized against future strains of covid.

I know it's not helping get people to get people to go take ten minutes of their lives to get a shot with information that natural immunity helps with future issues but I wish that we could all be sane enough to distribute that information on a completely neutral basis without pressure.

I do agree that this has become political. I would say that the Trump supporters, if they were actually not just trying to thumb their nose at the other administration and actually deeply felt they arent concerned of the risk, would have a stronger argument here, but, I'm generalizing, I think largely that's what is happening.

At the core, though, I dont think the government should be involved in forcing an individual what to do with their bodies.

randylahey wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:48 am The point is nothing about covid justifies totalitarian medical mandates on people that don't want them. I don't think anything could happen ever that would justify a government coercing/mandating medical treatments on a whole population. it is just flat out wrong. that is the kind of shit the nazis were doing to the jews back in the day

Fuck you. Just fuck you you evil piece of shit. To compare efforts to save lives, even if they are overreaching, to the systematic torture and killing of people because of their religion... You're evil. Fuck you.

Mjl wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:43 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:48 am The point is nothing about covid justifies totalitarian medical mandates on people that don't want them. I don't think anything could happen ever that would justify a government coercing/mandating medical treatments on a whole population. it is just flat out wrong. that is the kind of shit the nazis were doing to the jews back in the day

Fuck you. Just fuck you you evil piece of shit. To compare efforts to save lives, even if they are overreaching, to the systematic torture and killing of people because of their religion... You're evil. Fuck you.

Triggered Karen alert. Its not just about saving lives. Its about using it to monitor and control every action of every citizen. Thats why they don't just vaccinate you and be done with it. They expect you to carry vaccination cards. Thats why they want access to your bank accounts and transactions. I am not religious. But there are a ton of parallels to "the mark of the beast"

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:14 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:55 pm https://www.science.org/content/article ... ains-vital

heres a source for you. A large scale study done is israel. Showing that people who had already been infected with covid are much more resistant and less likely to get covid than people who have been vaccinated. Like I've been saying all along, the natural human immune system is a very powerful thing. Millions of americans have already had covid, the ones that beat covid (98/99% of people that had covid) do not need vaccines because the immune system develops a stronger defense than a vaccine can provide

That study shows the benefit of being vaccinated. It's not a reason to not be vaccinated.

From the article:

The study shows the benefits of natural immunity, but “doesn’t take into account what this virus does to the body to get to that point,” says Marion Pepper, an immunologist at the University of Washington, Seattle. COVID-19 has already killed more than 4 million people worldwide and there are concerns that Delta and other SARS-CoV-2 variants are deadlier than the original virus.

And

They show, Nussenzweig says, that the immune systems of people who develop natural immunity to SARS-CoV-2 and then get vaccinated produce exceptionally broad and potent antibodies against the coronavirus. The preprint, for example, reported that people who were previously infected and then vaccinated with an mRNA vaccine had antibodies in their blood that neutralized the infectivity of another virus, harmless to humans, that was engineered to express a version of the coronavirus spike protein that contains 20 concerning mutations.

So. The study would lead to the conclusion that people who haven't been infected should get vaccinated because if they do get sick it will be less severe and less lethal. If you've already been infected, a vaccine makes you MORE immune.

The only thing that study might suggest is that someone who was infected might only need one vaccination rather than two shots.

The thing is millions of people were infected before vaccines were available. And even after too. If you already had covid there is no benefit to getting vaccinated. Your natural immunity is far stronger than the vaccine

Dude by himself in his 20's/30's on a small niche sports message board at 1 am on Friday night comparing a vaccine to the holocaust, but everyone else is nuts.

SHOULD we be critical of the government for suggesting vaccine mandates when the vast majority of the population already has at least 1 dose of the vaccine?

This isn’t like 90% of Americans oppose this.

Again, this is a public health issue that affects me, you, our healthcare system, and the economy.

There. Is. No. Downside. To. Being. Vaccinated.

pdub wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:56 pm I don't want to support randy but I'm guessing if you got infected with an earlier strain of covid, and say showed no symptoms or mild ones, that you could feel confident that you'd be protected and or unlikely to be seriouslt I'll or hospitalized against future strains of covid.

I know it's not helping get people to get people to go take ten minutes of their lives to get a shot with information that natural immunity helps with future issues but I wish that we could all be sane enough to distribute that information on a completely neutral basis without pressure.

I do agree that this has become political. I would say that the Trump supporters, if they were actually not just trying to thumb their nose at the other administration and actually deeply felt they arent concerned of the risk, would have a stronger argument here, but, I'm generalizing, I think largely that's what is happening.

At the core, though, I dont think the government should be involved in forcing an individual what to do with their bodies.

You dont want to agree with me. Cause you feel my beliefs don't align with your political beliefs and you feel your beliefs align with being a good person. But there is a ton of common sense and logic in the the things I post. My mind works more in a logical way and not an emotional way. Harsh realities

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:57 pm Dude by himself in his 20's/30's on a small niche sports message board at 1 am on Friday night comparing a vaccine to the holocaust, but everyone else is nuts.

Never once compared the vaccine to the holocaust. I compared the tactics used by our government to gain control over our population to the tactics used by the nazis to gain control their population before the holocaust. Because they did literally the same exact thing. Research history and tell me im wrong

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:57 pm Dude by himself in his 20's/30's on a small niche sports message board at 1 am on Friday night comparing a vaccine to the holocaust, but everyone else is nuts.

Yeah I never meant to end up on a covid board. Because I dont care that much. But am an avid KU basketball fan and stumbled upon on it. And its become quite entertaining. Surely you guys realize most people that seek out covid message threads are the ones most worried about the dangers of covid tho

randylahey wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:59 pm

pdub wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:56 pm I don't want to support randy but I'm guessing if you got infected with an earlier strain of covid, and say showed no symptoms or mild ones, that you could feel confident that you'd be protected and or unlikely to be seriouslt I'll or hospitalized against future strains of covid.

I know it's not helping get people to get people to go take ten minutes of their lives to get a shot with information that natural immunity helps with future issues but I wish that we could all be sane enough to distribute that information on a completely neutral basis without pressure.

I do agree that this has become political. I would say that the Trump supporters, if they were actually not just trying to thumb their nose at the other administration and actually deeply felt they arent concerned of the risk, would have a stronger argument here, but, I'm generalizing, I think largely that's what is happening.

At the core, though, I dont think the government should be involved in forcing an individual what to do with their bodies.

You dont want to agree with me. Cause you feel my beliefs don't align with your political beliefs and you feel your beliefs align with being a good person. But there is a ton of common sense and logic in the the things I post. My mind works more in a logical way and not an emotional way. Harsh realities

What the

randylahey wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:57 pm

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:14 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:55 pm https://www.science.org/content/article ... ains-vital

heres a source for you. A large scale study done is israel. Showing that people who had already been infected with covid are much more resistant and less likely to get covid than people who have been vaccinated. Like I've been saying all along, the natural human immune system is a very powerful thing. Millions of americans have already had covid, the ones that beat covid (98/99% of people that had covid) do not need vaccines because the immune system develops a stronger defense than a vaccine can provide

That study shows the benefit of being vaccinated. It's not a reason to not be vaccinated.

From the article:

The study shows the benefits of natural immunity, but “doesn’t take into account what this virus does to the body to get to that point,” says Marion Pepper, an immunologist at the University of Washington, Seattle. COVID-19 has already killed more than 4 million people worldwide and there are concerns that Delta and other SARS-CoV-2 variants are deadlier than the original virus.

And

They show, Nussenzweig says, that the immune systems of people who develop natural immunity to SARS-CoV-2 and then get vaccinated produce exceptionally broad and potent antibodies against the coronavirus. The preprint, for example, reported that people who were previously infected and then vaccinated with an mRNA vaccine had antibodies in their blood that neutralized the infectivity of another virus, harmless to humans, that was engineered to express a version of the coronavirus spike protein that contains 20 concerning mutations.

So. The study would lead to the conclusion that people who haven't been infected should get vaccinated because if they do get sick it will be less severe and less lethal. If you've already been infected, a vaccine makes you MORE immune.

The only thing that study might suggest is that someone who was infected might only need one vaccination rather than two shots.

The thing is millions of people were infected before vaccines were available. And even after too. If you already had covid there is no benefit to getting vaccinated. Your natural immunity is far stronger than the vaccine

Yes there is. It says so in the link you posted. Plus see my other post. If you were infected with alpha, that protection isn't as good as delta.

Again, this is from YOUR article that YOU posted.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:57 pm Dude by himself in his 20's/30's on a small niche sports message board at 1 am on Friday night comparing a vaccine to the holocaust, but everyone else is nuts.

I know and he's convinced he's moved on with his life and not worried about it.

Dude's terrified of the vaccine like nothing I've seen.