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Is it a crime?
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:44 am
by DCHawk1
So...was poking around the Guardian after following Seahawk's link, and saw that the nasty, racist dickhead on the Ryanair flight (
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... police-say) has been identified and is being investigated.
The Guardian reports:
The incident was described by the transport secretary, Chris Grayling, as “totally unacceptable”. He told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme he hoped “police would want to take action in such an extraordinarily unacceptable case”.
So here's my question: the guy is clearly a miserable prick. Moreover he deserves to be identified and shamed. But should this be a crime? Should police be involved, "investigating" after the fact?
Seriously interested in people's thoughts.
Re: Is it a crime?
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 10:11 am
by kubowler99
A crime? Not that I could see. Now a civil lawsuit...maybe?
But yeah, the guy is just a horrible human being and deserves every bit of bad karma that comes his way in the future.
Re: Is it a crime?
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 10:14 am
by Geezer
If it was criminalized, can't imagine anything worse than a traffic ticket.
Re: Is it a crime?
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 10:17 am
by Leawood
No. It isn't a crime. It does not appear from the article that he threatened physical harm. He may be subject to a civil suit.
Re: Is it a crime?
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 10:41 am
by HouseDivided
I agree. Not a crime, but he deserves to be shamed for his behavior. Obviously an angry, miserable elderly man whose buttons got pushed. Kudos to the man in the seat behind him who finally stood up, put his hand on the man's shoulder and said "That's enough. Just stop."
Re: Is it a crime?
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 10:50 am
by Deleted User 62
Over the top...not illegal.
Karma will catch up to him.
Re: Is it a crime?
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 10:57 am
by chiknbut
Karma isn't good enough for this guy.
Re: Is it a crime?
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:02 am
by Deleted User 62
chiknbut wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 10:57 am
Karma isn't good enough for this guy.
Karma can be a savage MFer.
Re: Is it a crime?
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:52 am
by jhawks99
Probably should have been booted from that flight.
Re: Is it a crime?
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:16 pm
by Deleted User 183
Crime?
Punishable by local, state, federal law enforcement? I say no.
Meanwhile, I would say "definitions" 2 and 4 are applicable.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/crime
I am not someone who advocates physical violence and/or even an eye for an eye, and I don't feel two wrongs make a right but,,,,,if someone knocked the guy out cold I wouldn't feel too bad about it.
Re: Is it a crime?
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:26 pm
by seahawk
One of the articles mentioned that it would have been a crime in Spain.
https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/ ... ngers.html
Re: Is it a crime?
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:33 pm
by DCHawk1
Re: Is it a crime?
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:49 pm
by seahawk
I wondered what the penalties were for disruption on an airplane, which my link describes. Pretty significant penalties for one individual's need for acting out.
Federal law provides severe penalties for disruptive behavior by airline passengers. If a passenger engages in disruptive behavior, the airline may file a report with the Federal Aviation Administration. If federal prosecutors file charges, the passenger can be subject to civil and criminal penalties.
Penalties can include civil fines of up to $1,100 and criminal fines of up to $10,000 for each violation of federal aviation law. Other criminal sanctions include a prison term of up to 20 years if the passenger was not armed and a life sentence if the passenger was armed. Passengers can also end up on the no-fly list.
Re: Is it a crime?
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 2:01 pm
by Leawood
Good points.
Re: Is it a crime?
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:17 pm
by Mjl
I think it depends on the history of the country. If your country has committed genocide in the past, say, 100 years, I think it'd be fine to make this kind of thing illegal. So, not Spain, not UK, but, say, Germany.
Re: Is it a crime?
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:48 pm
by Deleted User 62
Mjl wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:17 pm
I think it depends on the history of the country. If your country has committed genocide in the past, say, 100 years, I think it'd be fine to make this kind of thing illegal. So, not Spain, not UK, but, say, Germany.
Scratch the good Ol' USA off your list too.
Re: Is it a crime?
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:08 pm
by Mjl
Yay us!
If it were, say 100 years ago though, I wouldn't have a problem with it being a crime to say that stuff to a black person. Genocide was probably too extreme. More like blatant institutional oppression.
Re: Is it a crime?
Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 9:30 pm
by imzcount
DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:44 am
So...was poking around the Guardian after following Seahawk's link, and saw that the nasty, racist dickhead on the Ryanair flight (
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... police-say) has been identified and is being investigated.
The Guardian reports:
The incident was described by the transport secretary, Chris Grayling, as “totally unacceptable”. He told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme he hoped “police would want to take action in such an extraordinarily unacceptable case”.
So here's my question: the guy is clearly a miserable prick. Moreover he deserves to be identified and shamed. But should this be a crime? Should police be involved, "investigating" after the fact?
Seriously interested in people's thoughts.
Hell. No. Dude was obviously having an issue with the lady. Likely selective editing. It's probably the woman's fault, and possibly a set up.
And seriously, The Guardian? Talk about fake news.