Kansas Crimson

DrPepper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:06 pm What was it that made America great back in that period that the MAGA crowd thinks was so perfect? Also, what time period would you assign that?

dolomite wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:14 pm

DrPepper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:06 pm What was it that made America great back in that period that the MAGA crowd thinks was so perfect? Also, what time period would you assign that?

Any time before social media and furor over msm.

DrPepper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:20 pm

dolomite wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:14 pm

DrPepper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:06 pm What was it that made America great back in that period that the MAGA crowd thinks was so perfect? Also, what time period would you assign that?

Any time before social media and furor over msm.

Are you or the current administration doing anything to curb social media?

DrPepper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 1:03 pm I think there is a large group of Americans that have gotten really lazy. They don’t want to go make something for themselves. They sit by without learning to code, thinking they can always have a job with the union.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 1:38 pm
I think much of the idea of “used to be” is tied to bigotry. The MAGA crowd is overwhelmingly white Christian men who believe America was/is/should be a white Christian nation. They are upset about their perception of Mexicans taking jobs they feel entitled to, blacks kneeling about police brutality, Muslims trying to not be typecast as terrorists, and women wanting to pursue professions and positions of power with equal pay to boot.

The larger push for social justice has been countered with their own claims of oppression of the white Christian man by the libtards.

Another angle is the economic one: many blue collar whites frame their manufacturing and coal jobs as some traditional way of life, and think they’re entitled to maintain it. When the free market phases those jobs out*, instead of picking themselves up and pursuing some other living, they sit around feeling sorry for themselves and blaming Obama.

Even if it’s not framed as bigotry, they perceive some rosy Norman Rockwell painting of a past that they think has been tainted by modern influences. Political correctness is vilified, as is any sense of progress that might come to their “way of life.”

A big problem is media, with 24-hour “news” cycles competing for ratings by seeing which pundit can get the most OuTrAgEd! in prime time. What used to be a vanilla reporting of the evening news is a blood-boiling moral mandate against the other side.

*I hesitate to accept Trump or the MAGAs as an actual populist movement, as I think populism should appeal to he popular masses, not just one butthurt demographic. If we DO ever see a populist movement, I think it’ll be overwhelmingly economic, and average joes from all demographics agree upon economic equality.

DrPepper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 1:03 pm I think there is a large group of Americans that have gotten really lazy. They don’t want to go make something for themselves. They sit by without learning to code, thinking they can always have a job with the union. They don’t stress education to their kids. They don’t try to represent the moral high ground. They don’t put serious effort into parenting, finding it easier to let the cell phones, you tube, and the neighbor kids to parent their own.
Remember how Joel Embiid scoffed at how easy classes at KU were to him? He was used to hours of homework everyday and his parents making sure he did it.
Grown men escape to video games. Grown women escape to hours of Facebook. Antidepressants are common.

Mjl wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 1:49 pm

DrPepper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 1:03 pm I think there is a large group of Americans that have gotten really lazy. They don’t want to go make something for themselves. They sit by without learning to code, thinking they can always have a job with the union.

This makes a lot of sense. The MAGA message seemed to really hit home with those in manufacturing. Problem is if we play to that crowd, we're going to be left behind. Going backwards is not a good thing.

MAGA is a bad message. Should be Make America Greater.

DrPepper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 1:03 pm I think there is a large group of Americans that have gotten really lazy. They don’t want to go make something for themselves. They sit by without learning to code, thinking they can always have a job with the union. They don’t stress education to their kids. They don’t try to represent the moral high ground. They don’t put serious effort into parenting, finding it easier to let the cell phones, you tube, and the neighbor kids to parent their own.
Remember how Joel Embiid scoffed at how easy classes at KU were to him? He was used to hours of homework everyday and his parents making sure he did it.
Grown men escape to video games. Grown women escape to hours of Facebook. Antidepressants are common.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 1:38 pm This is so nuanced.

I think much of the idea of “used to be” is tied to bigotry. The MAGA crowd is overwhelmingly white Christian men who believe America was/is/should be a white Christian nation. They are upset about their perception of Mexicans taking jobs they feel entitled to, blacks kneeling about police brutality, Muslims trying to not be typecast as terrorists, and women wanting to pursue professions and positions of power with equal pay to boot.

The larger push for social justice has been countered with their own claims of oppression of the white Christian man by the libtards.

Another angle is the economic one: many blue collar whites frame their manufacturing and coal jobs as some traditional way of life, and think they’re entitled to maintain it. When the free market phases those jobs out*, instead of picking themselves up and pursuing some other living, they sit around feeling sorry for themselves and blaming Obama.

Even if it’s not framed as bigotry, they perceive some rosy Norman Rockwell painting of a past that they think has been tainted by modern influences. Political correctness is vilified, as is any sense of progress that might come to their “way of life.”

A big problem is media, with 24-hour “news” cycles competing for ratings by seeing which pundit can get the most OuTrAgEd! in prime time. What used to be a vanilla reporting of the evening news is a blood-boiling moral mandate against the other side.

*I hesitate to accept Trump or the MAGAs as an actual populist movement, as I think populism should appeal to he popular masses, not just one butthurt demographic. If we DO ever see a populist movement, I think it’ll be overwhelmingly economic, and average joes from all demographics agree upon economic equality.

Shoot, sorry. Long exhausting day at work. I shoulda just ranted in the tourist thread.

dolomite wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 2:03 pm Maybe some people (not all e.g. Seahawk) from their tiny viewpoint thought America was great at a time when they were ignorant of what was really going on in places other than where they lived.