Lets talk reasons for mass shootings

[imzcount]

First off, lack of family norms.

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018 ... -anti-gun/

Movies, video games, music. Take your pic. How about we stop glorify murder by the MSM!

[twocoach]

It's that plus about a thousand other things.

[ousdahl]

Howsabout this reason for mass shootings:


guns

[imzcount]

51% of mass shooters are black? Less than 30% are white? Another media narrative out the window

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/274538 ... greenfield

[jhawks99]

What did they all have in common?

[imzcount]

Being black?

[MICHHAWK]

The people’s on tv, the people’s on the internet, the people’s on the social media’s, the people’s on this website, will blather and blubber and huff and puff and point their finger for a few days. By Friday they’s will have moved on.

[jfish26]

Howsabout this reason for mass shootings:


guns

Guns are not the reason for mass shootings, not in the same way as is a toxic mix of social isolation, extremist views and persuasions and genuine mental health issues.

Guns are, for sure though, the preferred apparatus. It is, of course, not the case that even aggressively-enhanced gun control measures will stop people from hurting people. But, gosh, it seems like we could prevent a whole lot of the most catastrophic damage.

[ousdahl]

Well, the U.S. is not unique in that we have social isolation, extremist views, and mental health issues. The rest of the world has that too.

Where the U.S. is unique, and what the rest of the world doesn’t have in quite the same way as us, is lots and lots and lots of guns, and comparatively lax gun laws to go with them.

[jfish26]

Oh I 100% agree.

I've said it before (even in this space, I think) - I'd be very much in favor of exploring mandatory liability insurance for guns, just like with cars. Let the insurance industry price the risk (which it can absolutely do).

[NewtonHawk11]

Well, the U.S. is not unique in that we have social isolation, extremist views, and mental health issues. The rest of the world has that too.

Where the U.S. is unique, and what the rest of the world doesn’t have in quite the same way as us, is lots and lots and lots of guns, and comparatively lax gun laws to go with them.

The rest of the world also has video games and family issues as many have said are also issues.

I'm all for concealed carry and the ability to be armed to law-abiding citizens. What I'm not for is weapons of war being able to be bought by those law-abiding citizens. There's no need that Billy needs to have multiple AR-15's, AKs and MK-16.

[Deleted User 276]

Howsabout this reason for mass shootings:


guns

Guns are not the reason for mass shootings, not in the same way as is a toxic mix of social isolation, extremist views and persuasions and genuine mental health issues.

Guns are, for sure though, the preferred apparatus. It is, of course, not the case that even aggressively-enhanced gun control measures will stop people from hurting people. But, gosh, it seems like we could prevent a whole lot of the most catastrophic damage.

I'm with you 100%.

We've got to do something to help prevent this stuff. Lots of possible ideas, but no blanket fix to the problem.

I don't blame the guns because someone has to load them and pull the trigger...but they're part of the problem.

The world is a violent place. Always has been. Always will be. And men seem to be the most violent (of all colors/races). Not sure that'll ever change completely. Most of the world is much more violent and dangerous than the USA, but that's not an excuse to take no action or try to help reduce the number of times this is occurring.

It starts with the parents. I don't think many children are born with this kind of violence and hate naturally instilled in them. They develop it thru their life experiences. It's sad and scary.

[Deleted User 89]

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2 ... oters-data

[jfish26]

All of that makes sense to me (and the data-driven approach, generally, appeals to me).

A big piece of this (and other societal ills) is the desperate need to destigmatize the need for, and seeking of, help for mental health and/or substance abuse issues. It is devastating to think of how many tragedies, on scales large and small, could be prevented by intervention and listening.

[Deleted User 89]

so much truth

[Deleted User 89]

unfortunately, and i think this is the way with a lot of things, it takes having experienced addiction and/or mental health issues on a personal level before one really takes the issues seriously (and develops a semblance of empathy)

even then, ideology far too often overshadows logic

[twocoach]

51% of mass shooters are black? Less than 30% are white? Another media narrative out the window

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/274538 ... greenfield

Ah, so NOW you want to throw all of the inner city gun violence stats in to skew the numbers. Got it.

Pretty sure that the "media narrative" around mass shootings is in relation to where someone show up and shoots at a workplace or a seemingly random location and opens fire, not in situations where gang members are shooting other gang members etc...

But sure, roll with it.

[twocoach]

All of that makes sense to me (and the data-driven approach, generally, appeals to me).

A big piece of this (and other societal ills) is the desperate need to destigmatize the need for, and seeking of, help for mental health and/or substance abuse issues. It is devastating to think of how many tragedies, on scales large and small, could be prevented by intervention and listening.

Honestly, a big thing is simply cost. My 16 year old goes to a weekly counseling appointment with a licensed therapist to help work through some issues. Its $150 a week and my insurance covers less than $15 of that.

The pool of people who can afford help is WAY smaller than the pool of people who need help.

[twocoach]

Mix bad genetics with bad healthcare, bad nutrition, a toxic home environment with violence from those who should be your support system, drug and alcohol abuse during the developmental years of your brain and pour it into a society that celebrates all the wrong things (solving problems with violence, guns, physical appearance, money, sexual appeal, etc...) and this is the result.

[jfish26]

All of that makes sense to me (and the data-driven approach, generally, appeals to me).

A big piece of this (and other societal ills) is the desperate need to destigmatize the need for, and seeking of, help for mental health and/or substance abuse issues. It is devastating to think of how many tragedies, on scales large and small, could be prevented by intervention and listening.

Honestly, a big thing is simply cost. My 16 year old goes to a weekly counseling appointment with a licensed therapist to help work through some issues. Its $150 a week and my insurance covers less than $15 of that.

The pool of people who can afford help is WAY smaller than the pool of people who need help.

Not to mention the follow-on effect of dramatic hikes in college/grad school tuition resulting in big numbers of skilled/educated professionals (be they counselors, or lawyers, or doctors, or otherwise) who simply can't themselves afford to take jobs that "help" more, but that don't pay top-of-market salaries.