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Rise of Skywalker (spoilers)
Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 11:08 pm
by Mjl
Thoughts?
Several things really bothered me...
Re: Rise of Skywalker (spoilers)
Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 1:10 am
by Deleted User 104
I've been warning that it's not good for a while...
Things I've noticed about this trilogy:
-Throwing endless "surprises" into a story does not equal good writing
-Rey is super boring as she has no struggle in her journey and is basically a God in all three films
-None of the other new characters memorable either due to poor writing
-Kathleen Kennedy and Disney hate men
-Anyone can be a Skywalker now
-Palpatine was only brought back because Rian Johnson f-d up SW so bad
-John Williams music is probably the biggest positive thing in the new trilogy
-Rise of Skywalker basically destroys the whole first 6 episodes, making Luke and Anakin's story obsolete
-There was no explanation for how Palpatine survived
I refuse to acknowledge these films as official canon and I hope Kennedy is fired or resigns.
Re: Rise of Skywalker (spoilers)
Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:17 am
by Mjl
I think JJ was too concerned about giving fans little things they wanted, while leaving the story unimaginative. Everything seemed to go about as you'd expect.
Only having three quick lines from Vader/Annakin wasn't enough - if you're ending the Skywalker saga, youneed to have more of him.
The last scene should have had the entire force-aware Skywalker family, not just Luke and Leia. There was an opportunity for an awesome moment there that was wasted.
The kiss - awful. Makes everything else weird. Just leave it as a relationship of mutual respect.
Re: Rise of Skywalker (spoilers)
Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 10:24 am
by jhawks99
We saw it yesterday. I liked fine. Not the greatest movie ever. It's no Roadhouse.
The family thing ties up pretty nicely. Lot's of shit blowing up. Pretty cool to see women get hero roles. I thought the same sex kiss I'd hears so much about was going to be Poe and Finn.
Re: Rise of Skywalker (spoilers)
Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 2:06 pm
by Mjl
jhawks99 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 24, 2019 10:24 am
We saw it yesterday. I liked fine. Not the greatest movie ever. It's no Roadhouse.
The family thing ties up pretty nicely. Lot's of shit blowing up. Pretty cool to see women get hero roles. I thought the same sex kiss I'd hears so much about was going to be Poe and Finn.
I actually don't agree that the family thing ties up nicely. If JJ wasn't so obsessed with undoing what Rian Johnson did, he could have made it work. Don't make Rey a Palpatine, keep her a nobody, and it's fine if she takes the Skywalker name.
I like the female hero role, but the kiss with Kylo diminished that a bit. Not every male protagonist has a love interest - it would have been nice to see that here with a female protagonist.
And the whole family thing would have tied up better if Annakin and Kylo would have been with Luke and Leia in the last scene. It's called The Rise of Skywalker - have all the dead Skywalker heroes together.
Re: Rise of Skywalker (spoilers)
Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 6:50 pm
by Cascadia
Watched it today. Thought it was pretty good and probably the best of the most recent trilogy. I don't mind the Palpatine angle. Kiss was definitely a bit cheesy, but it falls in line with the rest of the franchise.
I enjoyed the most recent trilogy, but to be fair, I don't think the original trilogy or the prequel trilogy were good movies either. They're all C+/B- movies for me. Enjoyable, but not great cinema by any stretch.
Re: Rise of Skywalker (spoilers)
Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 6:51 pm
by jhawks99
My only complaint was Rey posing like the Rock in the desert.
Re: Rise of Skywalker (spoilers)
Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 10:50 pm
by ousdahl
I guess 99 didn’t smell what Rey was cookin.
Re: Rise of Skywalker (spoilers)
Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2019 6:37 am
by jhawks99
Female heroes don't cook.
Re: Rise of Skywalker (spoilers)
Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2019 12:27 pm
by Deleted User 104
Re: Rise of Skywalker (spoilers)
Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2019 12:29 pm
by Deleted User 104
Originally the film was going to be 4 hours long. That would have been too much for a theatre release, unless they split it into two parts. There was so much deleted footage of Anakin Skywalker, Han Solo and Luke that didn't make into the final film. Will they release it on DVD? I doubt it.
Re: Rise of Skywalker (spoilers)
Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2019 12:50 pm
by HouseDivided
lobster wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 1:10 am
I've been warning that it's not good for a while...
Things I've noticed about this trilogy:
-Throwing endless "surprises" into a story does not equal good writing
-Rey is super boring as she has no struggle in her journey and is basically a God in all three films
-None of the other new characters memorable either due to poor writing
-Kathleen Kennedy and Disney hate men
-Anyone can be a Skywalker now
-Palpatine was only brought back because Rian Johnson f-d up SW so bad
-John Williams music is probably the biggest positive thing in the new trilogy
-Rise of Skywalker basically destroys the whole first 6 episodes, making Luke and Anakin's story obsolete
-There was no explanation for how Palpatine survived
I refuse to acknowledge these films as official canon and I hope Kennedy is fired or resigns.
Is it as much of a radical feminist propaganda vehicle as I assumed it would be?
Re: Rise of Skywalker (spoilers)
Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2019 1:36 pm
by Deleted User 104
HouseDivided wrote: ↑Wed Dec 25, 2019 12:50 pm
lobster wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 1:10 am
I've been warning that it's not good for a while...
Things I've noticed about this trilogy:
-Throwing endless "surprises" into a story does not equal good writing
-Rey is super boring as she has no struggle in her journey and is basically a God in all three films
-None of the other new characters memorable either due to poor writing
-Kathleen Kennedy and Disney hate men
-Anyone can be a Skywalker now
-Palpatine was only brought back because Rian Johnson f-d up SW so bad
-John Williams music is probably the biggest positive thing in the new trilogy
-Rise of Skywalker basically destroys the whole first 6 episodes, making Luke and Anakin's story obsolete
-There was no explanation for how Palpatine survived
I refuse to acknowledge these films as official canon and I hope Kennedy is fired or resigns.
Is it as much of a radical feminist propaganda vehicle as I assumed it would be?
Not as obvious as Last Jedi was in that regard. The biggest problems with ROS is that the story suffers in so many ridiculous ways.
Re: Rise of Skywalker (spoilers)
Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2019 9:48 pm
by jhawks99
Yes, the movie has strong, competent female leads. Very scary for the likes of lobs and psych.
Re: Rise of Skywalker (spoilers)
Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2019 9:50 pm
by HouseDivided
jhawks99 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 25, 2019 9:48 pm
Yes, the movie has strong, competent female leads. Very scary for the likes of lobs and psych.
Scary? No. Trite and ridiculous? Yup.
Re: Rise of Skywalker (spoilers)
Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2019 9:59 pm
by jhawks99
Tom-AY-to, Tom-Ah-to
Re: Rise of Skywalker (spoilers)
Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2019 10:08 pm
by HouseDivided
jhawks99 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 25, 2019 9:59 pm
Tom-AY-to, Tom-Ah-to
You betcha!
Re: Rise of Skywalker (spoilers)
Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2019 10:16 pm
by Deleted User 104
jhawks99 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 25, 2019 9:48 pm
Yes, the movie has strong, competent female leads. Very scary for the likes of lobs and psych.
Um... Princess Leia was a strong female lead. Ripley from Aliens was a strong female lead. I really liked both of these characters because they actually had a story.
Re: Rise of Skywalker (spoilers)
Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2019 11:33 pm
by Cascadia
jhawks99 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 25, 2019 9:48 pm
Yes, the movie has strong, competent female leads. Very scary for the likes of lobs and psych.
The horror!
Re: Rise of Skywalker (spoilers)
Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2019 2:19 pm
by Deleted User 104
Just as predicted, it's made less money than The Last Jedi. It's time to find another job for Kathleen Kennedy.