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Trump Lied. His Budget Cuts Medicare, SS, & Medicaid
Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:58 pm
by Shirley
For once, President Trump spoke the truth.
“We’re doing a lot of things that are good, including waste and fraud,” he said Monday, as his administration released its proposed budget. “Tremendous waste and tremendous fraud.”
No question about it! Trump’s budget is a tremendous fraud — and it lays tremendous waste to his promises.
Remember when he said he would eliminate the federal debt, or at least halve it, during his presidency? His new budget proposes to add another $3.4 trillion by 2024 to the debt on top of the $3 trillion Trump has already added, by piling on $1-trillion-a-year budget deficits during a peacetime expansion. Under Trump’s latest plans, the debt would keep mushrooming until at least 2035 — by his administration’s own rosy projections.
Recall his repeated promises not to “touch” Social Security and Medicare? Even as the elderly population swells, his budget calls for removing half a trillion dollars of funding from the Medicare program over 10 years, including $135 billion from Medicare prescription drugs, and tens of billions from the Social Security program.
In 2015, he promised not to touch Medicaid, either. Now he wants to cut it by $920 billion.
He was going to give Americans health care “much better” than Obamacare. But he has proposed no such thing and now his budget calls for cutting spending on the program by $844 billion.
Oh, and remember his vows that his tax cuts would grow the economy by 4 percent, 5 percent or even 6 percent? Last year it grew at 2.3 percent, and his new budget, even with the rosiest of assumptions, projects 2.8 percent for this year. Yet the budget would also devote another $1.4 trillion to extending those tax cuts, primarily for the rich.
... [T]he president proposes to cut $170 billion from student loan forgiveness, $181 billion from food stamps and a quarter of the EPA’s budget, along with Health and Human Services in the midst of a global health panic...
Trump promised to balance the budget, retire the debt, protect and enhance entitlements, and grow the economy at a rate far beyond anything we’ve seen. But he did none of that, and now he asks: “Who the hell cares about the budget?”
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Re: Trump Lied. His Budget Cuts Medicare, SS, & Medicaid
Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:21 pm
by Geezer
Elect a con man, expect to get conned.
Re: Trump Lied. His Budget Cuts Medicare, SS, & Medicaid
Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:15 pm
by Deleted User 89
so much winning
Re: Trump Lied. His Budget Cuts Medicare, SS, & Medicaid
Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:18 am
by seahawk
Had an acquaintance who worked for OMB back in the days when the Reagan operatives were slashing spending on worthwhile stuff like the National Science Foundation. They were accused of just cutting without consideration of whether the funds were necessary, appropriate, well spent and said no, they had carefully considered the programs being eliminated.
She said that the truth was just what they were accused of, just opening the budget books and finding a place with money and taking it out of the budget.
Re: Trump Lied. His Budget Cuts Medicare, SS, & Medicaid
Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:46 am
by chiknbut
Feral wrote: ↑Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:58 pm
For once, President Trump spoke the truth.
“We’re doing a lot of things that are good, including waste and fraud,” he said Monday, as his administration released its proposed budget. “Tremendous waste and tremendous fraud.”
No question about it! Trump’s budget is a tremendous fraud — and it lays tremendous waste to his promises.
Remember when he said he would eliminate the federal debt, or at least halve it, during his presidency? His new budget proposes to add another $3.4 trillion by 2024 to the debt on top of the $3 trillion Trump has already added, by piling on $1-trillion-a-year budget deficits during a peacetime expansion. Under Trump’s latest plans, the debt would keep mushrooming until at least 2035 — by his administration’s own rosy projections.
Recall his repeated promises not to “touch” Social Security and Medicare? Even as the elderly population swells, his budget calls for removing half a trillion dollars of funding from the Medicare program over 10 years, including $135 billion from Medicare prescription drugs, and tens of billions from the Social Security program.
In 2015, he promised not to touch Medicaid, either. Now he wants to cut it by $920 billion.
He was going to give Americans health care “much better” than Obamacare. But he has proposed no such thing and now his budget calls for cutting spending on the program by $844 billion.
Oh, and remember his vows that his tax cuts would grow the economy by 4 percent, 5 percent or even 6 percent? Last year it grew at 2.3 percent, and his new budget, even with the rosiest of assumptions, projects 2.8 percent for this year. Yet the budget would also devote another $1.4 trillion to extending those tax cuts, primarily for the rich.
... [T]he president proposes to
cut $170 billion from student loan forgiveness, $181 billion from food stamps and a quarter of the EPA’s budget, along with Health and Human Services in the midst of a global health panic...
Trump promised to balance the budget, retire the debt, protect and enhance entitlements, and grow the economy at a rate far beyond anything we’ve seen. But he did none of that, and now he asks: “Who the hell cares about the budget?”
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But Mich's 401k...?
Re: Trump Lied. His Budget Cuts Medicare, SS, & Medicaid
Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:24 pm
by twocoach
I hope it's another Republican who is in office when the bill comes due for what this President's administration has done to this nation and to our planet so they have no one else to blame but themselves.
Re: Trump Lied. His Budget Cuts Medicare, SS, & Medicaid
Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:47 pm
by japhy
trump is the Republican party's wet dream come to life. A candidate willing to grab the third rail for all it's worth and has no idea what it means and is only in it for the cheers of the crowd regardless of the boos. He has no conscience so they can use his ego to get him to do the previously unthinkable. He doesn't think anything he does has consequences for him, and the trumpublican party in the end doesn't give a shit what happens to him as long as he can deliver before he goes down in flames. As long as there is a Fox News, the trumpublican party will bear no blame amongst the willfully ignorant and it will all be the Dem/Socialists fault.
Re: Trump Lied. His Budget Cuts Medicare, SS, & Medicaid
Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:14 pm
by MICHHAWK
chiknbut wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:46 am
But Mich's 401k...?
I’d say your 401k also, but I’m betting you don’t have one.
Some of us plan on funding our own retirement. Rather than counting on mom and dad to do it for me. Or uncle burnie.
Re: Trump Lied. His Budget Cuts Medicare, SS, & Medicaid
Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:25 pm
by Deleted User 289
I'm betting chikn does have a 401K and as far as you funding your own retirement, I agree - fuck Uncle Burnie.
Now what about Uncle Sam? I'm betting you'll happily take what's "owed" to you by Uncle Sam and not turn it down. Amiright?
Re: Trump Lied. His Budget Cuts Medicare, SS, & Medicaid
Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:40 pm
by twocoach
MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:14 pm
chiknbut wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:46 am
But Mich's 401k...?
I’d say your 401k also, but I’m betting you don’t have one.
Some of us plan on funding our own retirement. Rather than counting on mom and dad to do it for me. Or uncle burnie.
That's good, because I sure as shit wont have Social Security and Medicaid to help out with the way the GOP is burning through it.
Re: Trump Lied. His Budget Cuts Medicare, SS, & Medicaid
Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:43 pm
by MICHHAWK
Hold on. 9 months from now uncle burnie will save the day. It’s gonna be a utopia.
Re: Trump Lied. His Budget Cuts Medicare, SS, & Medicaid
Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:48 pm
by chiknbut
MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:14 pm
chiknbut wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:46 am
But Mich's 401k...?
I’d say your 401k also, but I’m betting you don’t have one.
Some of us plan on funding our own retirement. Rather than counting on mom and dad to do it for me. Or uncle burnie.
What's the wager, Mich? I didn't rely on my parents or Uncle "Burnie" to fund mine, either.
I should say that I'm not surprised that you think a 401k makes you a self-made man. Sure you didn't get a little help from that house-of-cards economy balanced on the back of the middle class? I know I did.
Hell, even my daughters know that the interest they get in their savings accounts doesn't come because the bank thinks they're impressive negotiators.
Re: Trump Lied. His Budget Cuts Medicare, SS, & Medicaid
Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:54 pm
by MICHHAWK
I’ve been giving my grandbabies venezuelan speaking lessons. So we can hit the ground running 9 months from now.
Re: Trump Lied. His Budget Cuts Medicare, SS, & Medicaid
Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:55 pm
by TDub
chiknbut wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:48 pm
MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:14 pm
chiknbut wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:46 am
But Mich's 401k...?
I’d say your 401k also, but I’m betting you don’t have one.
Some of us plan on funding our own retirement. Rather than counting on mom and dad to do it for me. Or uncle burnie.
What's the wager, Mich? I didn't rely on my parents or Uncle "Burnie" to fund mine, either.
I should say that I'm not surprised that you think a 401k makes you a self-made man. Sure you didn't get a little help from that house-of-cards economy balanced on the back of the middle class? I know I did.
Hell, even my daughters know that the interest they get in their savings accounts doesn't come because the bank thinks they're impressive negotiators.
Interest from the bank? If its anything like most banks savings interest rates it might as well be becuase theyre bad negotiators. Either that or i need a new bank. I would be pretty much as good off keeping it in a can in the backyard.
Re: Trump Lied. His Budget Cuts Medicare, SS, & Medicaid
Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:05 pm
by jhawks99
MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:54 pm
I’ve been giving my grandbabies venezuelan speaking lessons. So we can hit the ground running 9 months from now.
You speak Venezuelan?
Re: Trump Lied. His Budget Cuts Medicare, SS, & Medicaid
Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:18 pm
by TDub
jhawks99 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:05 pm
MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:54 pm
I’ve been giving my grandbabies venezuelan speaking lessons. So we can hit the ground running 9 months from now.
You speak Venezuelan?
Ha
Re: Trump Lied. His Budget Cuts Medicare, SS, & Medicaid
Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:19 pm
by TDub
Come on Mich. Its called Mexican. Duh
Re: Trump Lied. His Budget Cuts Medicare, SS, & Medicaid
Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:21 pm
by Deleted User 89
Re: Trump Lied. His Budget Cuts Medicare, SS, & Medicaid
Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:29 pm
by TDub
I think the lesson here is to be curious, seek out alternative news sources instead of relying on only one option, read things from multiple views and be skeptical of everything a "biased" news media presents (which includes most news media). Everything these days, especially leading up to an election, is slanted and deceitful. Its a reflection of the divides in our nation.
Re: Trump Lied. His Budget Cuts Medicare, SS, & Medicaid
Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:01 pm
by Shirley
Here's a link to a podcast earlier today with the author of that article, McKay Coppins:
"What you have is a presidential campaign that is pushing lies and distortions and conspiracy theories into the bloodstream at an unprecedented rate," says Atlantic writer McKay Coppins.
Journalist Details 'Brazen Ways' Trump Will Use His Power To Get Reelected