Kansas Crimson

Did we have a draft thread?

Garrett and Wilson invited to the G League Elite Camp, for whatever that’s worth

https://gleague.nba.com/news/nba-g-leag ... n-chicago/

It would seem to mean bad news for Garrett and that Wilson will be back in Lawrence very soon.

Yea, that’s a camp just to compete for a spot at the actual combine.

Wonder what no invite for Och means

It means he is going to the combine.

Combine


His athletic ability and and ability to shoot...

Next year.


In lawrence.

I doubt Och has much to gain (nba wise) by returning to Kansas.

It seems to me that he is on that line of drafted/undrafted. So, coming back and playing with Remy, there would be the opportunity to play on a Top 5 team and raise stock to get drafted in the tourney.

Of course, there's no way to ever know if someone like that is going to get drafted or not until it happens.

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:10 am I doubt Och has much to gain (nba wise) so he might as well return to Kansas.

fyp?

ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:16 am

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:10 am I doubt Och has much to gain (nba wise) so he might as well return to Kansas.

fyp?

Ya maybe....i am not saying he has not shot at a long term NBA or professional career....I just don't think he's going to significantly change his outlook with another year at KU.

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:18 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:16 am

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:10 am I doubt Och has much to gain (nba wise) so he might as well return to Kansas.

fyp?

Ya maybe....i am not saying he has not shot at a long term NBA or professional career....I just don't think he's going to significantly change his outlook with another year at KU.

if that’s the case, then his outlook has never been very good

i think he could absolutely change his draft outlook by coming back and putting together a more solid year than last...maybe, i don’t know, show that you can do more than catch ally-oops and occasionally hit a spot-up jumper

He rarely catches alley oops fwiw.

He has proven he has a decent 3pt shot and that he has an NBA body and potential to be a good defender. That isn't going to significantly change with an extra 7months in Lawrence. He isn't turning into a lotto pick. 2nd rounder is nothing to turn your nose up at. Most of his work to make it in the nba will need to be done in the nba. Not college.

Re: alley oops, he's also never had a good passing PG here.

He has a nice pull-up jumper that would serve him well in the league. What he has mostly been lacking is consistency. And, on that note, he hasn't had a normal season here in his 3 years.

Not anyone's fault here, but I don't think there is or will be any mystery around Och and the draft this year.

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:55 am He rarely catches alley oops fwiw.

He has proven he has a decent 3pt shot and that he has an NBA body and potential to be a good defender. That isn't going to significantly change with an extra 7months in Lawrence. He isn't turning into a lotto pick. 2nd rounder is nothing to turn your nose up at. Most of his work to make it in the nba will need to be done in the nba. Not college.

fringe second rounder and maybe undrafted

big difference between that and second rounder or fringe first rounder

Every time some poster says something overarching and generic about “how player x doesn’t gain anything nba wise by returning” I can just generically reply with “buddy heild”.

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:06 am

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:55 am He rarely catches alley oops fwiw.

He has proven he has a decent 3pt shot and that he has an NBA body and potential to be a good defender. That isn't going to significantly change with an extra 7months in Lawrence. He isn't turning into a lotto pick. 2nd rounder is nothing to turn your nose up at. Most of his work to make it in the nba will need to be done in the nba. Not college.

fringe second rounder and maybe undrafted

big difference between that and second rounder or fringe first rounder

He's not going to elevate himself into a lock 1st rounder no matter what (if we are being realistic). So no, not a big difference. There is very little difference (long term) between 2nd rounder and undrafted.

No matter what?

TDub wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:11 amNo matter what?

Probably not imo. Just go thru the list of players that will be in the draft class.

pdub wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:08 am Every time some poster says something overarching and generic about “how player x doesn’t gain anything nba wise by returning” I can just generically reply with “buddy heild”.

It’s just illy’s schtick . It’s the exact same thing every year.

There's not a player out there that would rather go undrafted than 2nd round.

We also do this thing when talking about the draft and assume every player has the same exact goals, needs, wants, etc. for the draft vs. stay in school decision and values the same things that we think they should.

Why is there no difference between 2nd round and undrafted on its face? I bet Devon would have had a thoughtful answer to that late last summer.


I think Och is gone based on what he and the staff have said, but won't pretend to know what is best for him or what he's looking to get out of the whole thing.