Kansas Crimson

ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Aug 02, 2022 10:22 am I lean “why provoke China, what’s the point?”

Which is an extension of the grander ideal of, avoid WW3 at all costs

But I also realize the Merican gummint and plenty of Merican people too would be positively giddy to go to war with anyone and everyone, and especially China…gross

If we told some Chinese politician not to come here and they came here anyway, I don’t think it would be a good idea either.

The Taiwanese government has operated separately from the mainland since nationalists fled there after losing the civil war to communists in 1949. Thirty years later, the U.S. switched diplomatic recognition from Taipei to Beijing, adopting what's known as the "One China" policy, in which Washington acknowledges Beijing's position that Taiwan is a part of China. However, the U.S. has never supported China's claim of sovereignty over Taiwan and maintains a substantial, though unofficial, relationship with the island.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Aug 02, 2022 10:31 am So if China sent some politician here even after we said not to, would you still say it isn’t anything provocative and Merica is just choosing to fuss about it?

ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Aug 02, 2022 12:10 pm let's try Puerto Rico as an example though:

Indeed, it's a failed comparison...but if the Chinese were suddenly sending leaders there, and the Puerto Rican gummint was giving them all this recognition and stuff, you think Merica would be saying shit like "we're just making a fuss, this isn't anything provocative, we don't need us telling them where they can and cannot go."

IMHO it would go a lot more like Russia Cuba shit. We'd freak the fuck out! and, it very well may be the thee best way to get Puerto Rican statehood. (could you imagine the paradoxical Qusdahl headlines like "China is making Puerto Rico more democratic")

regarding Merica intervening in global affairs - if it's humanitarian, intervene away. Part of me thinks all that Merican taxpayer money should go to the benefit of Merican taxpayers first, but part of me thinks all people are people and at least someone is benefitting. if the intervention is militant, I'm not sure any is ever really justifiable. And if you think it is, then please answer whether you're personally willing to go fight too.

regarding Pearl Harbor, that was a a tragedy. But, part of the narrative that we just don't get is, would Pearl Harbor have ever happened if not for decades of Merican warmongering in the Pacific to begin with? What was THAT all about? Forgive me if I struggle to accept the world view that these things happen in a vacuum.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Aug 02, 2022 1:22 pm The whole reason the US had any presence in Hawaii in the first place was cuz of a coup in 1893. Congress apologized for it in 1993.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overthrow ... an_Kingdom

We'd also did plenty of fighting over the Philippines, including fighting with Spain about them, and also with them? Apparently they tried to declare their own independence but we refused to acknowledge and annexed them instead, and ultimately didn't cede sovereignty until 1946

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine–American_War

and the relations leading up to Pearl Harbor between Japan and the US specifically

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Events_le ... arl_Harbor

I think the bigger culprit is not necessarily one nation or the other, but colonial imperialism as a whole