Bieniemy

[KUTradition]

off to the Commanders as the new H.C…uh, never mind…O.C.?

wtf

to get out of Reid’s shadow?

to walk away from the likelihood of continued success and more SBs?

was he that unhappy in KC?

[Sparko]

Needed to get out of Andy's shadow. Has full run now. And asst head coach. We will see if that helps.

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

"and a pay raise".

"But he was not the primary playcaller on coach Andy Reid's staff. In Washington, Bieniemy will be in complete charge of the offense and call plays".

"Bieniemy was not under contract with the Chiefs for 2023".

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/356 ... c-bieniemy

[pdub]

I think there were issues between him, Andy and Mahomes. I think Nagy was brought in with the understanding he’d have a higher position in the offense very soon.

Good for him.
Wanted him to get a head coaching job though.

[DCHawk1]

I'm old enough to remember when he took a piss on our campus and tried to beat up a KU cop -- or something....

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

[pdub]

McCoy has some vindictiveness towards certain guys in the Chiefs org but I'm guessing there's truth in there.

The debacle with the Bengals last season, I believe, was the last straw. I think Bienemy wanted more leverage, got in a spat with Reid and Mahomes at the end of the first, there was bickering and it fucked with our system, and that was it.

We hired Nagy but couldn't let go of Bienemy.
Bienemy needed to leave on his own accord.

[twocoach]

McCoy has some vindictiveness towards certain guys in the Chiefs org but I'm guessing there's truth in there.

The debacle with the Bengals last season, I believe, was the last straw. I think Bienemy wanted more leverage, got in a spat with Reid and Mahomes at the end of the first, there was bickering and it fucked with our system, and that was it.

We hired Nagy but couldn't let go of Bienemy.
Bienemy needed to leave on his own accord.

Reminds me of a situation my wife is having with a student. Parent calls, claims that the kid is upset because "she doesn't treat me like everyone else". Wife responds that she is the only one of the kids in the core group who isn't doing their part in the coach-student relationship; she's lazy, doesn't try, skips days, fakes injuries, lies about her participation in workout programs my wife coordinated with a trainer, etc...of course she is treated differently, she is behaving differently.

McCoy probably felt left out of the "in" crowd in KC because he didn't do the work necessary to be a bigger part of the offense. His ego was bigger than his effort level from what I have heard. So I am not surprised if he personally didn't have a great relationship with Bienemy. He seems to prefer guys who put in the work and who behave as part of the team. If that guy is calling you out then you're probably doing things right.

[twocoach]

off to the Commanders as the new H.C…uh, never mind…O.C.?

wtf

to get out of Reid’s shadow?

to walk away from the likelihood of continued success and more SBs?

was he that unhappy in KC?

Reid will always get the credit for the offensive mastermind. Does Bienemy have some sort of offputting conversational style that comes through negatively in interviews and this whole "we think it's Reid, not Bienemy, behind Mahomes Magic, is just the most polite way of not hiring him? I don't know. The whole situation is weird when you consider how many people get HC jobs that they have not earned in any way shape or form. Some guys are just better at managing to talk someone into believing that they deserve a job they aren't qualified for. Quite honestly, I wasn't qualified to have the job I currently have when I was hired. Still not sure how I talked them into hiring me but it has worked out for both myself and my employer.

[holidaysmore]

Shady can kick rocks. His washed up, bum ass mad because he got rightfully benched.

Everything I had heard this was going to be his last year with KC.

EB is complex. Because he is Black he has to be flawless to get a HC job but whether right or wrong he already has strikes going into interviews. So you mix that with his own personal coaching style and you can connect the dots as to why he took what some would consider a lateral raise.

He gets a chance to get out on his own, pay raise and title promotion. I’m sure he is disappointed that it isn’t a HC job but he isn’t the type to make excuses. He will be just fine.

[pdub]

I am also disappointed.
Was hoping for that 3rd round comp pick.

[Sparko]

There is an art to being an OC under Reid. It is a learning experience more than a leadership one, which I am sure is frustrating. But EB will be Okay.

[jfish26]

I am also disappointed.
Was hoping for that 3rd round comp pick.

My recollection is he added an Assistant Head Coach title - if so, is that enough?

[jfish26]

Shady can kick rocks. His washed up, bum ass mad because he got rightfully benched.

Everything I had heard this was going to be his last year with KC.

EB is complex. Because he is Black he has to be flawless to get a HC job but whether right or wrong he already has strikes going into interviews. So you mix that with his own personal coaching style and you can connect the dots as to why he took what some would consider a lateral raise.

He gets a chance to get out on his own, pay raise and title promotion. I’m sure he is disappointed that it isn’t a HC job but he isn’t the type to make excuses. He will be just fine.

TAKE IT TO THE POLITICS BORED, but.

Can't both of these things be true at the same time: (1) Bienemy is suffering from the negative effects of systemic bias (although, when you really unpack it, it's more about historical QB bias than coaching bias), and ALSO (2) Bienemy is suffering from the negative effects of the Rooney Rule?

He is portrayed time after time as damaged goods - "if 17 teams passed on him, that MUST be evidence of SOMETHING."

It seems at least POSSIBLE that he wouldn't have been rejected so many times...if he hadn't taken unserious, box-checky interviews.

[pdub]

I am also disappointed.
Was hoping for that 3rd round comp pick.

My recollection is he added an Assistant Head Coach title - if so, is that enough?

"The employer-club of a minority employee who has been hired by another club as its Head Coach or Primary Football Executive (General Manager) shall receive Draft choice compensation in the form of a compensatory Draft pick in the third round in each of the next two Drafts for an employee hired as either a Head Coach or Primary Football Executive, or for the next three Drafts if it has two employees hired for both positions."

Don't look like it.
How 'bout a 5th?

[twocoach]

Shady can kick rocks. His washed up, bum ass mad because he got rightfully benched.

Everything I had heard this was going to be his last year with KC.

EB is complex. Because he is Black he has to be flawless to get a HC job but whether right or wrong he already has strikes going into interviews. So you mix that with his own personal coaching style and you can connect the dots as to why he took what some would consider a lateral raise.

He gets a chance to get out on his own, pay raise and title promotion. I’m sure he is disappointed that it isn’t a HC job but he isn’t the type to make excuses. He will be just fine.

TAKE IT TO THE POLITICS BORED, but.

Can't both of these things be true at the same time: (1) Bienemy is suffering from the negative effects of systemic bias (although, when you really unpack it, it's more about historical QB bias than coaching bias), and ALSO (2) Bienemy is suffering from the negative effects of the Rooney Rule?

He is portrayed time after time as damaged goods - "if 17 teams passed on him, that MUST be evidence of SOMETHING."

It seems at least POSSIBLE that he wouldn't have been rejected so many times...if he hadn't taken unserious, box-checky interviews.

I 100% agree that many of EB's interviews have been solely to meet the Rooney Rule criteria and that it has hurt him in that "well, if all these teams pass on him then there must be a problem" way.

[jfish26]

Shady can kick rocks. His washed up, bum ass mad because he got rightfully benched.

Everything I had heard this was going to be his last year with KC.

EB is complex. Because he is Black he has to be flawless to get a HC job but whether right or wrong he already has strikes going into interviews. So you mix that with his own personal coaching style and you can connect the dots as to why he took what some would consider a lateral raise.

He gets a chance to get out on his own, pay raise and title promotion. I’m sure he is disappointed that it isn’t a HC job but he isn’t the type to make excuses. He will be just fine.

TAKE IT TO THE POLITICS BORED, but.

Can't both of these things be true at the same time: (1) Bienemy is suffering from the negative effects of systemic bias (although, when you really unpack it, it's more about historical QB bias than coaching bias), and ALSO (2) Bienemy is suffering from the negative effects of the Rooney Rule?

He is portrayed time after time as damaged goods - "if 17 teams passed on him, that MUST be evidence of SOMETHING."

It seems at least POSSIBLE that he wouldn't have been rejected so many times...if he hadn't taken unserious, box-checky interviews.

I 100% agree that many of EB's interviews have been solely to meet the Rooney Rule criteria and that it has hurt him in that "well, if all these teams pass on him then there must be a problem" way.

Yeah, it's a real bitch of a problem to try to sort out.