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Reviews
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2024 12:06 am
by pdub
It has to stop.
Go the opposite way.
Each coach gets two challenges. No other reviews. Ever.
Let the game flow.
Re: Reviews
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2024 12:07 am
by DeletedUser
Something. They review tons of plays that don't matter, but can't review the play that probably cost Samford the game.
Re: Reviews
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2024 12:11 am
by mjl2
DeletedUser wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 12:07 am
Something. They review tons of plays that don't matter, but can't review the play that probably cost Samford the game.
There's no way you can say it "Probably cost Stamford the game".
It was KU up 1 and a loose ball up for grabs. Odds in KU's favor
Re: Reviews
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2024 12:13 am
by pdub
Additionally just a minute before one of their players attacked the basket out of control and wasn’t touched and got sent to the line.
This is more stopping the flow of the game. Make the coaches decide when to call out the really important bad calls.
Re: Reviews
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2024 12:15 am
by DeletedUser
mjl2 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 12:11 am
DeletedUser wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 12:07 am
Something. They review tons of plays that don't matter, but can't review the play that probably cost Samford the game.
There's no way you can say it "Probably cost Stamford the game".
It was KU up 1 and a loose ball up for grabs. Odds in KU's favor
The ball went right to their guys.
I am comfortable making the assumption we lose that game if they don't blow the whistle there. We were in collapse mode. Blowing a 20pt lead.
But oh well. Bad calls happen all game long.
Re: Reviews
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2024 12:18 am
by pdub
Re: Reviews
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2024 12:24 am
by Sparko
I once cleanly blocked a driving layup from behind in junior high. Best play of my season. Two shot foul called. The mistake is thinking a guy who was beaten on defense get should get a call. You want to bitch at the refs, but weakly jumping late--from behind!!--after a guy scorched your ass is not exactly 1972 Olympic Quality screwage.
Re: Reviews
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2024 12:32 am
by lwh69ku
I wish they’d get rid of the possession arrow, do real jump balls again, and make any call that can’t be determined in a 15 second review (like did it graze one dude’s pinkienail out of bounds) a jump ball.
The shit like the clock froze for 10 seconds at 18:04 left in the game can be fixed the next media timeout, if the shot clock didn’t start, make it out of bounds with 20 seconds like a foul and move on.
Re: Reviews
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2024 10:35 am
by jfish26
pdub wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 12:06 am
It has to stop.
Go the opposite way.
Each coach gets two challenges. No other reviews. Ever.
Let the game flow.
It's tough - the sentiment behind what you say is right. It's ALSO true that you'd inevitably have games or even championships swing on obviously-wrong black-and-white calls.
It's not football, where there is a brief (but game-flow) window for a staff to look at something. Staff is also at (or even below!) floor level.
I'm just sort of throwing up my hands here - there's no clear answer, to me, and whatever spot you pick on the spectrum is going to be partially-bad.
Re: Reviews
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2024 11:06 am
by pdub
Use your challenges wisely.
Especially in a title game.
Re: Reviews
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2024 11:15 am
by DeletedUser
The big problem with the challenge thing, is that sure it wasn't a foul, but if there is no clear recovery of the ball (there was last night, but in general, once the whistle blows it's dead), then what? Jump ball? Challenging live ball plays seems impossible.
Bad calls are part of the game.
Re: Reviews
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2024 11:19 am
by jfish26
pdub wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 11:06 am
Use your challenges wisely.
Especially in a title game.
I would think losing challenges should simply cost you a timeout (and if you "call a timeout" when you don't have one, it's a technical foul).
That would make sense to me.
A hard cap doesn't; if you win two challenges, why should you be punished by the THIRD egregious call?
Re: Reviews
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2024 11:19 am
by DeletedUser
I am fine with reviewing 3s vs 2s, or clock things, or out of bounds.
I think it's hard to start challenging things like a block that called a foul.
Re: Reviews
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2024 11:20 am
by jfish26
DeletedUser wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 11:19 am
I am fine with reviewing 3s vs 2s, or clock things, or out of bounds.
I think it's hard to start challenging things like a block that called a foul.
I agree that it needs to be black-and-white stuff only. You absolutely CANNOT get into the business of reviewing judgment calls.
Re: Reviews
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2024 11:21 am
by AlOerter
It seemed like the game took way longer to play than an ordinary regulation game. I didn't notice the actual start time but seems like it took longer than usual. I know some of the crew (Charles and Kenny) were calling for a rule change because of one play in one game, but I had to agree with Clark that adding another category of reviewable plays isn't the answer.
1 play doesn't make a game and as pdub has demonstrated it wasn't the only late call of consequence. You simply can't start reviewing whether a foul should or shouldn't be called.
Also we were long overdue a break at that point in the game since everything seemed to be going Samford's way.
Re: Reviews
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2024 11:21 am
by Shirley
lwh69ku wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 12:32 am
I wish they’d get rid of the possession arrow, do real jump balls again, and make any call that can’t be determined in a 15 second review (like did it graze one dude’s pinkienail out of bounds) a jump ball.
The shit like the clock froze for 10 seconds at 18:04 left in the game can be fixed the next media timeout, if the shot clock didn’t start, make it out of bounds with 20 seconds like a foul and move on.
If the referees didn't suck so bad at tossing the ball up, I might agree with you.
But they do,
so I don't.
Re: Reviews
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2024 11:24 am
by DeletedUser
AlOerter wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 11:21 am
It seemed like the game took way longer to play than an ordinary regulation game. I didn't notice the actual start time but seems like it took longer than usual. I know some of the crew (Charles and Kenny) were calling for a rule change because of one play in one game, but I had to agree with Clark that adding another category of reviewable plays isn't the answer.
1 play doesn't make a game and as pdub has demonstrated it wasn't the only late call of consequence. You simply can't start reviewing whether a foul should or shouldn't be called.
Also we were long overdue a break at that point in the game since everything seemed to be going Samford's way.
Longer TV stoppages is what I think Self mentioned the other day.
Re: Reviews
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2024 11:26 am
by jfish26
The game ended more than three hours AFTER its scheduled tip time. Nutso.
Re: Reviews
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2024 11:35 am
by DeletedUser
jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 11:26 am
The game ended more than three hours AFTER its scheduled tip time. Nutso.
It started 20-30min late right? So maybe 30min longer than usual games?
That's actually a positive from the TV revenue side of things. So there's that.
Re: Reviews
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2024 11:43 am
by Shirley
jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 11:26 am
The game ended more than three hours AFTER its scheduled tip time. Nutso.
It's turning into baseball, before the 20-second clock.