COVID-19 - On the Ground

[Deleted User 89]

spouses can...not sure about roomies

My daughter has picked up prescriptions for me. I think if you show an ID with the same address they would be fine. CVS just asks for the birthday of the person.

You can always pull the “he’s positive for the fungus (sorry couldn’t resist), are you sure you want him to come in pick it up himself?” line of response!

yeah, i’ve always had to give birthday...walgreens too

[Deleted User 89]

in my limited experience, many (if not most) of the ‘murican tourists who visit Mexico are assholes...so this isn’t really surprising, just sad

https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2 ... -covid-19/

[ousdahl]

assholes...who, yall?

[Walrus]

"COVID-19 VACCINE EFFECTS ON MY ARMY HUSBAND'S HEART"

https://brandnewtube.com/watch/covid-19 ... feh9o.html

"Haley Link Brinkmeyer: 28-year-old physical therapist dead two days after mRNA shot"

https://thecovidblog.com/2021/02/25/hal ... WJ89Lhn4_w



But according to "some" on here with a Phd, no one has ever died or been hurt from the vaccine.

[Walrus]

Also...

"Founder of vaccine safety website, ex-pharma insider found dead"

'If something were to happen to me,' Brandy Vaughan wrote in late 2019, 'it’s foul play and you know exactly who and why.'

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/found ... found-dead

[Deleted User 289]

Also...

"Founder of vaccine safety website, ex-pharma insider found dead"

'If something were to happen to me,' Brandy Vaughan wrote in late 2019, 'it’s foul play and you know exactly who and why.'

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/found ... found-dead

Also.....
You're a conspiracist ____________?
Of course in YOUR mind you're right that she was killed - and they're lying.

https://www.independent.com/2021/02/18/ ... al-causes/

[pdub]

I did look into the Haley Brinkmeyer story and there is truth so far in what Walrus has posted - she is real and her mother did post that ( from what I can gather ).

The second story, the police investigated and determined she died of natural causes.

[PhDhawk]

70 million doses of the vaccine have been administered in the US alone. Countless more than that globally.

Think about that, that's more injections than there are people in most countries. In a country with 70 million people on any given day there would be some who died surprisingly...some who were otherwise healthy, but died of natural causes. So, that that happens the day of, or in the immediate days following, an injection is a statistical certainty when you're talking about tens of millions or hundreds of millions of injections. Couple that with the fact that elderly and people with co-morbidities are preferentially receiving the vaccine and that goes up even farther.

The fact that Lobster has ONLY found one or two of these types of stories...when he's clearly actively seeking them out...many of them are articles that aren't even in English...only strengthens the argument that the vaccines are safe.

[jhawks99]

Nuh uh.

[jfish26]

70 million doses of the vaccine have been administered in the US alone. Countless more than that globally.

Think about that, that's more injections than there are people in most countries. In a country with 70 million people on any given day there would be some who died surprisingly...some who were otherwise healthy, but died of natural causes. So, that that happens the day of, or in the immediate days following, an injection is a statistical certainty when you're talking about tens of millions or hundreds of millions of injections. Couple that with the fact that elderly and people with co-morbidities are preferentially receiving the vaccine and that goes up even farther.

The fact that Lobster has ONLY found one or two of these types of stories...when he's clearly actively seeking them out...many of them are articles that aren't even in English...only strengthens the argument that the vaccines are safe.

There's not an ethical or practical way to accomplish it, but I do wish there was some sort of idiot tax for vaccine deniers who get Covid.

Like, you do you, I guess, but don't expect taxpayers to subsidize your care.

Of course that's unworkable; it's not a denier's child's fault, for example, that the denier gets sick.

[PhDhawk]

70 million doses of the vaccine have been administered in the US alone. Countless more than that globally.

Think about that, that's more injections than there are people in most countries. In a country with 70 million people on any given day there would be some who died surprisingly...some who were otherwise healthy, but died of natural causes. So, that that happens the day of, or in the immediate days following, an injection is a statistical certainty when you're talking about tens of millions or hundreds of millions of injections. Couple that with the fact that elderly and people with co-morbidities are preferentially receiving the vaccine and that goes up even farther.

The fact that Lobster has ONLY found one or two of these types of stories...when he's clearly actively seeking them out...many of them are articles that aren't even in English...only strengthens the argument that the vaccines are safe.

There's not an ethical or practical way to accomplish it, but I do wish there was some sort of idiot tax for vaccine deniers who get Covid.

Like, you do you, I guess, but don't expect taxpayers to subsidize your care.

Of course that's unworkable; it's not a denier's child's fault, for example, that the denier gets sick.

I agree with this sentiment.

But, the worst part is, it's probably not the denier who's gonna need the healthcare, it's the two elderly people of the 6 or so that he made sick that are going to need the care.

[jfish26]

70 million doses of the vaccine have been administered in the US alone. Countless more than that globally.

Think about that, that's more injections than there are people in most countries. In a country with 70 million people on any given day there would be some who died surprisingly...some who were otherwise healthy, but died of natural causes. So, that that happens the day of, or in the immediate days following, an injection is a statistical certainty when you're talking about tens of millions or hundreds of millions of injections. Couple that with the fact that elderly and people with co-morbidities are preferentially receiving the vaccine and that goes up even farther.

The fact that Lobster has ONLY found one or two of these types of stories...when he's clearly actively seeking them out...many of them are articles that aren't even in English...only strengthens the argument that the vaccines are safe.

There's not an ethical or practical way to accomplish it, but I do wish there was some sort of idiot tax for vaccine deniers who get Covid.

Like, you do you, I guess, but don't expect taxpayers to subsidize your care.

Of course that's unworkable; it's not a denier's child's fault, for example, that the denier gets sick.

I agree with this sentiment.

But, the worst part is, it's probably not the denier who's gonna need the healthcare, it's the two elderly people of the 6 or so that he made sick that are going to need the care.

Right - maybe you should have to wear a very silly hat, so people know to stay six feet away.

[Walrus]

This link provides details to lots of young people who died after taking the vaccine.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gVLI6Y ... 9-CIC/view

[Walrus]

I did look into the Haley Brinkmeyer story and there is truth so far in what Walrus has posted - she is real and her mother did post that ( from what I can gather ).

The second story, the police investigated and determined she died of natural causes.

And Jeffery Epstein died of natural causes as well.

[jfish26]

This link provides details to lots of young people who died after taking the vaccine.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gVLI6Y ... 9-CIC/view

Here is another useful link: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

[PhDhawk]

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/cov ... 1020821906

Health problems incorrectly blamed on the vaccine. When health problems develop soon after vaccination, people tend to blame the vaccine. Yet cancer, strokes, heart attacks, blood disorders, and rare illnesses occurred before the pandemic, and will of course continue to happen. Many people would be expected to develop such health issues whether or not they get vaccinated. If thorough investigation shows certain health problems are occurring at a higher than normal rate, the vaccine could be to blame. If not, it’s more likely to be an unfortunate coincidence that’s not related to the vaccine.For example, rare cases of Bell’s palsy and other neurologic disease have been reported after COVID vaccination. But so far, there is no clear suggestion that the vaccine played any role. Similarly, a fatal blood disorder suffered by a Florida physician two weeks after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine raised concerns that it was triggered by the vaccine. Authorities are investigating this and similar cases. This condition did not occur among the tens of thousands of clinical trial subjects, so it might be a complete coincidence.
Concerns that the vaccine can cause COVID-19. That can’t happen, because no live SARS-CoV-2 virus is used in currently available vaccines or those in development. If a person develops COVID-19 soon after vaccination, it’s not due to the vaccine. It’s either because the vaccine failed (which is rather rare), or infection developed before the vaccine had a chance to work. In fact, some people may already be infected with the virus at the time of vaccination.

The bottom line

So far, we know COVID-19 is an unpredictable and potentially deadly disease. And the information we have about the effectiveness and safety of COVID-19 vaccinations is encouraging. Minor side effects should be expected; severe allergic reactions may rarely occur. Side effects from the vaccine are not reasons for most people to avoid vaccination.

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There are pros and cons to any new medical treatment. But remember there are also pros and cons to declining treatment. Based on my reading of currently available information, the decision to be vaccinated against COVID-19 should be an easy one.

[PhDhawk]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-28/ ... 78614#risk

Isn't it better to risk COVID than take a new vaccine?

Professor Macartney: Though they are new, these vaccines have been so incredibly well studied. There's now more than 200 million doses that have been administered globally and tens of thousands of those were in clinical trials. So we actually know more about these vaccines than we have about some other vaccines launched in years past. It's amazing what we've been able to learn because of the mass participation of people in these trials and roll-out.

Why can't we just immunise the vulnerable and leave others to fight COVID with their immune systems?

Professor Macartney: If we do that, this virus will continue to spread, especially to those with weaker immune systems or who are vulnerable. These people, even if they are vaccinated, will not be fully protected. They also need to rely on not meeting another person who is infected with the virus. Some people's own immune response may not respond as well to the vaccine, or if they met someone who had a very high level of virus it may overwhelm their protective response from the vaccine. The key thing here is to not meet anyone with the virus, and the way to do that is through mass vaccination, so the virus will not have anywhere to travel.

If we have a lot of people who aren't vaccinated, the virus will just continue to spread and be a risk to our families and friends. We cannot afford to have it circulating at high levels in the community.

It sometimes seems okay to say "I don't mind if I get sick", but in my experience as a clinician who looks after people in intensive care, when others feel they might have passed on that infection to a person who ends up seriously ill in hospital, it's a terrible burden to bear. People feel absolutely devastated about that — knowing they didn't do everything they could have.

Everyone knows or cares for someone who is older, or might have had treatment for cancer, or for some other reason will be vulnerable. It's so important that we think of those people, because if we're not vaccinated, we're keeping them at risk.

Dr Fox: Younger people can strengthen their immune system but as you get older your immune system is just not as good. It's just part of getting older. The only way we can protect older people and the immunocompromised is to vaccinate.

But even if every young person ate well and did exercise and had a strong immune system, if they get infected with the virus, they could still suffer from COVID-19 — some people develop long COVID, and there is mortality in all age ranges, even if you have a strong immune system. We don't yet understand why some people get really bad COVID-19 symptoms and others don't. In future we may know people's risk factors at the genetic level, but right now you're playing Russian roulette if you're going to just rely on boosting your immune system to stop getting sick.

If everybody just takes an individual stance and boosts their own immune system, that's not how vaccines work — they rely on herd immunity, it's about you protecting everyone else. The studies coming out now suggest transmission of the virus will be greatly reduced by the vaccinated.

Dr Blyth: Although we encourage people to stay healthy, there is no single way to strengthen one's immune system to make it able to combat COVID infection. The only way we're going to be able to do that is through a vaccine. So I'd encourage people to remain as healthy as possible throughout the pandemic but a key component is a vaccination. While we know some groups in particular are more susceptible to severe outcomes, COVID can affect anyone.

Have approvals and testing been rushed through?

Professor Macartney: I understand people's concern given that everything has happened at pandemic speed. But it's important to remember that this has been the focus for hundreds of thousands of the world's cleverest scientists, those in regulatory authorities, and specialists in ethics and many aspects of the vaccine development and delivery process. They’ve all been working round the clock to ensure the integrity and quality of the data and the vaccines themselves. The whole scientific world and many others have turned their minds to ensuring that the quality and safety of the vaccines is paramount. Billions of dollars have been thrown at this to back that approach.

While things have gone much faster than usual, the rigour with which testing, approvals and all aspects of development have been undertaken has been of the highest standard. So many people have stopped doing the other work they do to become involved in COVID — they've turned all of their skills to support the development and manufacture. That's what's helping us know they're safe and quality products.

Dr Fox: These vaccines have not been rushed through. They are faster because there have been absolutely no delays to getting funding. As scientists, we spend so much time trying to get funding for the necessary trials and experiments to prove something works. That is the biggest delay to scientific research. Then, at every stage there were people lining up to participate in trials. Often that recruitment is difficult and a very long process. It's really those two things that removed the usual waiting times. That's why what would previously take five years took one year.

In Australia, our vaccines have had the full approval process, not emergency authorisation like in some countries. That means every bit of data that was required for approval has been provided, whereas with emergency approval they don't require quite so much data. The regulators who sit on those approval panels would've been working around the clock to scrutinise that data. In that sense there would've been a bureaucratic layer stripped away as they were able to focus on this approval, not other work.

Dr Blyth: Current technology enables us to develop vaccines much faster than previously and through collaboration between researchers and industry we've been able to do this in record time.

In addition to new technology, we did things differently this time, running trials concurrently. Traditionally, we run the three phases of clinical trials one after the other, pausing to review data between steps. But we were able to run them continuously in populations with large amounts of COVID disease, so it was faster to see if a vaccine truly worked. This was an economic risk for manufacturers and governments but not a safety risk.

The threshold for approval for these vaccines in Australia has been no different for COVID than any other vaccine. They're going through as rigorous, if not more rigorous a process than usual, given the incredible scrutiny. I have confidence they are safe and effective.

[PhDhawk]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-28/ ... 78614#risk

How do we know there won't be longer-term effects if we're testing short term?

Professor Macartney: It's extraordinarily rare for any vaccine to show a side effect that develops later after vaccination, such as the following week. Most side effects occur within the first few days, such as a sore arm, muscle aches or a temperature. Very few vaccines have ever been shown to have a late-onset side effect. But the regulatory authorities who've approved the vaccines have only done so on the basis of reviewing data from many thousands of people at least two months after the second dose of the vaccine. Those people are continuing to be followed.

Vaccines have been in clinical trials for nine months now where they've been given to over a quarter of a million people in those trials. More than 200 million doses of approved vaccines have also now been given worldwide and many doses have been of the two vaccines we're using in Australia. So far, we're not seeing longer-term side effects. But that doesn't stop us from continuing to monitor the safety of the vaccines. Studies are being done all around the world looking for those needle-in-a-haystack events — but we know the benefits of these vaccines are so great and the safety profile is looking excellent.

Dr Fox: The only way we can be 100 per cent sure there are no long-term problems is to monitor long-term. But when you add up all of the bits of evidence that have been gathered — studies in animals over long periods of time that show they're fine, and the ways we know the molecules and cells work, that they're broken down quickly — there's no scientific basis to believe there'll be long-term effects.

As a scientist these vaccines don't scare me at all, because I can look at all the components and know they'll either degrade or are harmless.

Every vaccine was new once. Most of us don't think too much about getting the whooping cough vaccine or diphtheria vaccine — at some point they were the new ones, but our parents or grandparents agreed to take them.

Genetic vaccines are new so have we had enough experience to know they're safe?

Professor Macartney: Genetic vaccines are not as new as we think. They've been under development for decades, but it's only been in recent years that they've been taken forward in licensed vaccines. For example, the vaccine that has helped stop the Ebola outbreak in Africa is a genetic vaccine and that's been pivotal to controlling the disease there. The safety of this vaccine design has been studied extensively in the laboratory as well as in many different types of animal models, and in other trials prior to Covid-19. These studies have shown this vaccine type to have a good safety record. There have also been tens of thousands of people in clinical trials who have received the different types of COVID-19 vaccines and many people vaccinated worldwide with no safety signals occurring.

[Deleted User 89]

but is there a youtube video from some random that says so?

[Walrus]

Um.. yeah, you can risk your life with the big pharma if you want. I'm glad you finally agree that it has killed people. But I prefer not to risk my health, especially since the drug companies cannot be sued.