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Re: Lord of the Rubes - The Tax Cut Chapter
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 1:55 pm
by Deleted User 310
ousdahl wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 1:09 pm
Hmm. I’ll say, most of the developed world besides us.
Why do you apparently think, according to the definition you provided, that “the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole” would be a bad thing?
You’d prefer to double down on having it be owned and regulated by a small handful of greedy 1 percenters?
I don't think everything should be equal for everyone. And i don't think the rich should pay for the lazy to be lazy.
You really think the greedy 1 percenters are to blame for your lack of success?
And fwiw there are not any good countries that are 100% socialist. You're confusing having socialist programs with being a socialist country imo.
Re: Lord of the Rubes - The Tax Cut Chapter
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 1:56 pm
by Deleted User 310
ousdahl wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 1:10 pm
and I’m not advocating for a complete overthrow of capitalism, just for enough socialist policies peppered in to make it worthwhile for everyone.
Let’s change the corporate model to benefit all the stakeholders, not just the shareholders.
And you think the government is the best/only way to achieve that?
Re: Lord of the Rubes - The Tax Cut Chapter
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 2:15 pm
by Deleted User 310
The idea that this country isn't worthwhile for everyone while other countries are is sort of silly (pretty much an outright lie).
The idea that ousdahl doesn't think he has a fair shot to make a livable wage due to corporate structure is hilarious. The same guy who constantly complains about whichever job he has and hates being hassled with early check ins.
Do the wealthy need to pay more? Sure. Do we need socialism to achieve that? No.
Re: Lord of the Rubes - The Tax Cut Chapter
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 2:28 pm
by Cascadia
Leawood wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:53 am
Illy just isn’t smart. Nice person. Not smart
Re: Lord of the Rubes - The Tax Cut Chapter
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 2:37 pm
by ousdahl
Illy bro, the wealthy paying more IS socialism.
And if not for gummint policies, you really think we’re gonna achieve that if we just leave it up to the capitalists?
Re: Lord of the Rubes - The Tax Cut Chapter
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 2:39 pm
by MICHHAWK
The thing about the kids is, they eventually grow up. Get a job. Move out of their parents basement. Get married. Have a family.
Today’s socialists are tomorrow’s conservatives.
Re: Lord of the Rubes - The Tax Cut Chapter
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 2:40 pm
by Deleted User 310
ousdahl wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 2:37 pm
Illy bro, the wealthy paying more IS socialism.
No it's not.
Re: Lord of the Rubes - The Tax Cut Chapter
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 2:41 pm
by ousdahl
What is it, then?
Re: Lord of the Rubes - The Tax Cut Chapter
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 2:50 pm
by Cascadia
ousdahl wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 2:41 pm
What is it, then?
Leawood wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:53 am
Illy just isn’t smart. Nice person. Not smart
Re: Lord of the Rubes - The Tax Cut Chapter
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 2:50 pm
by Deleted User 310
Not socialism.
A progressive tax model?
Honestly, to no surprise of anyone i am sure, i am completely lost on what you think socialism actually is and means.
Re: Lord of the Rubes - The Tax Cut Chapter
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 2:58 pm
by ousdahl
If only we had someone post a definition of as much...
Re: Lord of the Rubes - The Tax Cut Chapter
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:03 pm
by Cascadia
I know illy will never read a book to educate himself, but he’s an article that might help.
https://www.yesmagazine.org/democracy/2 ... rstanding/
Re: Lord of the Rubes - The Tax Cut Chapter
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:14 pm
by Deleted User 310
I will read it.
Wish it was a book on tape. Or a youtube vid. But i will check it out.
Re: Lord of the Rubes - The Tax Cut Chapter
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:26 pm
by Deleted User 89
MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 2:39 pm
The thing about the kids is, they eventually grow up. Get a job. Move out of their parents basement. Get married. Have a family.
Today’s socialists are tomorrow’s conservatives.
says every conservative old person, ever
keep saying dumb shit...the laughs are good
Re: Lord of the Rubes - The Tax Cut Chapter
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:31 pm
by Deleted User 310
I am curious to see if there are more socialism cosigners for ousdahl other than cascadia.
Re: Lord of the Rubes - The Tax Cut Chapter
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:35 pm
by Cascadia
I’m not advocating for socialism, just pointing out that you (and most anti-socialists) don’t know what socialism actually is. You’ve just been conditioned to believe it’s a bad thing.
Aka, the boogeyman
Re: Lord of the Rubes - The Tax Cut Chapter
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:36 pm
by Deleted User 89
IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:31 pm
I am curious to see if there are more socialism cosigners for ousdahl other than cascadia.
did either of them say they are in favor of all out socialism?
Re: Lord of the Rubes - The Tax Cut Chapter
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:36 pm
by MICHHAWK
Everyone is a socialist while they are suppling the teet. Then mom and dad separate them. And all of a sudden they are not.
Re: Lord of the Rubes - The Tax Cut Chapter
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:38 pm
by Deleted User 89
personally, i like have the Forest Service, National Parks system, National Interstate Highway system, being able to pick up the phone and dial 911, and even the armed forces most of the time (among a myriad of other things that everyone’s tax dollars subsidize)
Re: Lord of the Rubes - The Tax Cut Chapter
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:38 pm
by ousdahl
Illy, rather than label this as “socialism,” would you prefer to use a term more like “worker’s rights?”
Cuz also bear in mind, “radical” is a relative term too.
Depending on whom you ask, “winner take all economics in which the ones at the top hoard wealth while the workers who helped them succeed live paycheck to paycheck” could sound pretty radical, too.
