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jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 5:32 pm

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:24 pm Drove past a car dealership advertising 84 months at 0%.


That's a joke right?

Whether financing or otherwise, this would be a terrific time to be in the market for a car.

If you have money and a job, I agree.

HouseDivided wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:00 pm

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 12:53 pm It’s awful.

U.S. unemployment:
02-29 - 1000
03-29 10,000,000
04-29 30,000,000

That doesn't matter, silly. People are supposed to live forever.

Ok, you get to choose.

Death or have to take $500 a week of unemployment for a few months?

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:41 pm

HouseDivided wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:00 pm

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 12:53 pm It’s awful.

U.S. unemployment:
02-29 - 1000
03-29 10,000,000
04-29 30,000,000

That doesn't matter, silly. People are supposed to live forever.

Ok, you get to choose.

Death or have to take $500 a week of unemployment for a few months?

How many months? What are the chances that the months turn into a year or more? What are the chances that no jobs I can/want to do come back? Or if they do, that they pay a fraction of what they did before? Do I still have health insurance for these months?

There are lots of things worse than death.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:41 pm

HouseDivided wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:00 pm

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 12:53 pm It’s awful.

U.S. unemployment:
02-29 - 1000
03-29 10,000,000
04-29 30,000,000

That doesn't matter, silly. People are supposed to live forever.

Ok, you get to choose.

Death or have to take $500 a week of unemployment for a few months?

You are assuming everyone is coming back in a few months. I do not.

I hope I’m wrong, but I think we are going to be horrified by the economic carnage. I hope I’m wrong.

HouseDivided wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:43 pm

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:41 pm

HouseDivided wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:00 pm

That doesn't matter, silly. People are supposed to live forever.

Ok, you get to choose.

Death or have to take $500 a week of unemployment for a few months?

How many months? What are the chances that the months turn into a year or more? What are the chances that no jobs I can/want to do come back? Or if they do, that they pay a fraction of what they did before? Do I still have health insurance for these months?

There are lots of things worse than death.

Let's see it's been less than two months irl, you still have a job irl, you haven't lost health insurance irl, there are already plans to reduce restrictions, and you're whining like a child?

So, let's stick to the real timeline. It's been bad, no one could deny that. Some efforts may have been too extreme, I think those are going away. At some point stay at home orders et al, could be worse than the pandemic, but we're not there yet. Worry about it when it happens.

Oh, but to add to your list, one of the things that could be considered worse than death, is the very realistic probability that you get COVID-19, have severe symptoms, causing severe, possibly permanent organ damage. Death isn't the only outcome of being infected with the virus.

Why are you worried about health insurance, I mean, this virus is a made up joke and all.

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 2:01 pm

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:41 pm

HouseDivided wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:00 pm

That doesn't matter, silly. People are supposed to live forever.

Ok, you get to choose.

Death or have to take $500 a week of unemployment for a few months?

You are assuming everyone is coming back in a few months. I do not.

I hope I’m wrong, but I think we are going to be horrified by the economic carnage. I hope I’m wrong.

I do think most businesses will recover from this, most will do so quickly.

Others won't people will need to change career paths. That's true for me for example. There will be more online classes and remote learning and simulated labs, etc. I don't like it, I think that's a bad thing for me personally and financially and for our society more generally, but it was already happening, this just sped up the process.

Some jobs will be abundant, it'd be a good time to get into laboratory testing, for example. Or to start a business that delivered a good or service to a consumer's door that hadn't been previously been sold/delivered that way. If I had some money, I might consider opening a drive-in movie theater.

I agree with PhD but What is irl?

TDub wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 2:13 pm I agree with PhD but What is irl?

in real life.

He's complaining about things that might happen. But the trajectory is that restrictions will be limited, not increased or remain static.

Got it, I'm a little slow with the interenet slang

omg lol

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 2:12 pmit was already happening, this just sped up the process.

COVID-19 sped up the death of a lot of businesses that were headed that direction anyway. The most obvious examples are in the restaurant industry.

It probably also sped up the inevitable death of certain business models, as you suggest.

And, as Lobster and others have suggested, it may have sped up the economic downturn that was also inevitable. As psych likes to point out, in some instances COVID-19 can be seen as a contributing factor rather than a sole cause.

A good chance we look back and see COVID-19 as just a contributing factor of an economic downturn. If you look around the world, not every country did a shutdown/lockdown like the US. Those countries are still suffering economic downturns b/c of the virus.

But Mich needs his boat.

I admit I had taken for granted the negative impact the lockdown was having on society.


Until I found out Mich couldn't golf.

I am curious how many contributors on this thread are business owners.

A phd and a lawyer convincing the folks that the economic downturn is a good thing.

Could you be any further removed.

HouseDivided wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:43 pm

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:41 pm

HouseDivided wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:00 pm

That doesn't matter, silly. People are supposed to live forever.

Ok, you get to choose.

Death or have to take $500 a week of unemployment for a few months?

How many months? What are the chances that the months turn into a year or more? What are the chances that no jobs I can/want to do come back? Or if they do, that they pay a fraction of what they did before? Do I still have health insurance for these months?

There are lots of things worse than death.

Who are you to judge what is and isn't worse than death - to/for me?

Grandma wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 3:51 pm

HouseDivided wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:43 pm

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:41 pm
Ok, you get to choose.

Death or have to take $500 a week of unemployment for a few months?

How many months? What are the chances that the months turn into a year or more? What are the chances that no jobs I can/want to do come back? Or if they do, that they pay a fraction of what they did before? Do I still have health insurance for these months?

There are lots of things worse than death.

Who are you to judge what is and isn't worse than death - to/for me?

How am I deciding whether you live or die?

HouseDivided wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 3:58 pm

Grandma wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 3:51 pm

HouseDivided wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:43 pm

How many months? What are the chances that the months turn into a year or more? What are the chances that no jobs I can/want to do come back? Or if they do, that they pay a fraction of what they did before? Do I still have health insurance for these months?

There are lots of things worse than death.

Who are you to judge what is and isn't worse than death - to/for me?

How am I deciding whether you live or die?

You're not.

You're telling me and others "there are lots of things worse than death".
I suffered from severe depression.
I had a BAD drug addiction to the point where I was hospitalized with what the doctors said was a "near death experience" and I have a hole in my skull because of it.
I fucked over myself and many other people because of it.
I have seen and experienced some really shitty things in my life.
I have been literally 100,000s of thousands of dollars in debt with no way out in sight.

What of what I just mentioned do you feel is (or is not) worse than death - TO YOU?
What of what I just mentioned do you feel was (or was not) worse than death - TO ME?
That's my point.

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 3:40 pm A phd and a lawyer convincing the folks that the economic downturn is a good thing.

Could you be any further removed.

Completely deluded if that is your takeaway.


Not to mention, academia and the legal biz is anything but immune to an economic downturn. Especially academia in this kind of crisis.

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 3:40 pm A phd and a lawyer convincing the folks that the economic downturn is a good thing.

Could you be any further removed.

When did i say it was a goid thing? Never. I said it was a bad thing, repeatedly.

If, in this balancing act, I err on the side of caution in terms of reopening, it's because there are things we can do about the unemployed and underemployed. There's nothing we can do about being dead. There's no vaccine, there's no approved treatment, though there was good news yesterday.

We can argue over the CARES act all we wsnt, I have issues with a lot of it, but that's a different conversation. The fact is we'rebetter equipped to handle financial difficulties right now than we are this virus.

My Dad owned his own business. It failed because of some bad decisions by the federal government in 1999. We went through some hard times. I watched my Dad have to change careers at 49. It wasn't easy. We got through it stronger on the other side. That was without trillions of dollars from the gov't. But we wouldn't have gotten through death from a virus.