Kansas Crimson

twocoach wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 3:35 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:23 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:11 pm

Because he took advantage of his easy access to weapons and ammo that he used to vent his frustration. If he didn't those people would still be alive and he'd just be another angry teen.

Orrrr.... if he was intent on murduring people, which he obviously was, he would just find another way to do it. There's plenty of ways. Murder existed long before guns did

Why make it as easy as possible for people to quickly and easily kill a lot of people in a shirt amount of time?

It's insane how many different reasons Conservatives roll out there to continue to be OK with all these kids being murdered. All while at the same time making "what about the safety of children" their rallying cry on other issues.

When it gets down to it, the real GOP platform seems to be "whatever Dem voters want, we want the opposite". It's fundamentally hypocritical and ignorant and results in nothing getting done to help anything or anyone.

The GOP platform isn't shooting people. Neither is the democratic. Bad people are, bad people exist, akways have always will. one party wants to restrict your right to defend yourself against them

randylahey wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 5:08 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 3:35 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:23 pm

Orrrr.... if he was intent on murduring people, which he obviously was, he would just find another way to do it. There's plenty of ways. Murder existed long before guns did

Why make it as easy as possible for people to quickly and easily kill a lot of people in a shirt amount of time?

It's insane how many different reasons Conservatives roll out there to continue to be OK with all these kids being murdered. All while at the same time making "what about the safety of children" their rallying cry on other issues.

When it gets down to it, the real GOP platform seems to be "whatever Dem voters want, we want the opposite". It's fundamentally hypocritical and ignorant and results in nothing getting done to help anything or anyone.

one party wants to restrict your right to defend yourself against them

Ah yes, the boogeyman under the bed

randylahey wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 5:08 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 3:35 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:23 pm

Orrrr.... if he was intent on murduring people, which he obviously was, he would just find another way to do it. There's plenty of ways. Murder existed long before guns did

Why make it as easy as possible for people to quickly and easily kill a lot of people in a shirt amount of time?

It's insane how many different reasons Conservatives roll out there to continue to be OK with all these kids being murdered. All while at the same time making "what about the safety of children" their rallying cry on other issues.

When it gets down to it, the real GOP platform seems to be "whatever Dem voters want, we want the opposite". It's fundamentally hypocritical and ignorant and results in nothing getting done to help anything or anyone.

The GOP platform isn't shooting people. Neither is the democratic. Bad people are, bad people exist, akways have always will. one party wants to restrict your right to defend yourself against them

One party wants to make it more difficult for "non-normal" people to obtain guns to shoot "normal" people. It blows my mind that people have an issue with that.

randylahey wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 5:08 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 3:35 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:23 pm

Orrrr.... if he was intent on murduring people, which he obviously was, he would just find another way to do it. There's plenty of ways. Murder existed long before guns did

Why make it as easy as possible for people to quickly and easily kill a lot of people in a shirt amount of time?

It's insane how many different reasons Conservatives roll out there to continue to be OK with all these kids being murdered. All while at the same time making "what about the safety of children" their rallying cry on other issues.

When it gets down to it, the real GOP platform seems to be "whatever Dem voters want, we want the opposite". It's fundamentally hypocritical and ignorant and results in nothing getting done to help anything or anyone.

The GOP platform isn't shooting people. Neither is the democratic. Bad people are, bad people exist, akways have always will. one party wants to restrict your right to defend yourself against them

That is categorically false. There is ample middle ground to be had where work is put in to figure out how to limit the ability of mentally unstable people, along with people who have active restraining orders etc... from purchasing weapons without impacting the ability of the generic public in getting weapons whatsoever. You can also limit the sales of certain types of weapons and accessories without limiting a person's ability to buy A weapon.

The GOP platform is that that ANY attempt to pass ANY gun legislation is an attack on EVERYONE'S rights to buy ANY weapons. It's a straight up lie but it works on people like you who will believe just about anything that supports your arguments.

In order to save gun ownership, it was necessary to kill 1000s randomly with them.

Well, I have found many/most people who have lost loved ones to "gun violence" tend to want stricter gun laws/control. Many/most of those who haven't, tend to not. Therefore, I say let's hope more people get killed with/by "gun violence".

Not a "mass" shooting but a Cop was just shot a block away from my office.
Shame they couldn't have waited 3 hours so it could/would be another gun shot victim I could/would have seen in person. The hits just keep on coming.

https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/chica ... gold-coast

https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2024 ... gold-coast

twocoach wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 7:56 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 5:08 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 3:35 pm
Why make it as easy as possible for people to quickly and easily kill a lot of people in a shirt amount of time?

It's insane how many different reasons Conservatives roll out there to continue to be OK with all these kids being murdered. All while at the same time making "what about the safety of children" their rallying cry on other issues.

When it gets down to it, the real GOP platform seems to be "whatever Dem voters want, we want the opposite". It's fundamentally hypocritical and ignorant and results in nothing getting done to help anything or anyone.

The GOP platform isn't shooting people. Neither is the democratic. Bad people are, bad people exist, akways have always will. one party wants to restrict your right to defend yourself against them

That is categorically false. There is ample middle ground to be had where work is put in to figure out how to limit the ability of mentally unstable people, along with people who have active restraining orders etc... from purchasing weapons without impacting the ability of the generic public in getting weapons whatsoever. You can also limit the sales of certain types of weapons and accessories without limiting a person's ability to buy A weapon.

The GOP platform is that that ANY attempt to pass ANY gun legislation is an attack on EVERYONE'S rights to buy ANY weapons. It's a straight up lie but it works on people like you who will believe just about anything that supports your arguments.

None of your “facts” and “logic” matter.

Doesn’t matter that assault rifles are shit home defense.

Doesn’t matter that the statistics bear out that homes with guns are more dangerous.

Doesn’t matter that the 2A, right there on paper, confers a qualified (not unlimited) right.

Doesn’t matter that the math means that the more guns in circulation, the cheaper and easier to get they are, by people everyone agrees shouldn’t have them.

Doesn’t matter that a bad guy with an AR can do so much more damage than a bad guy without one.

None of these things matters.

What matters is how the fuck your feelings crowd feels.

The people in charge of messaging for such issues have found that if they tie their issues to their supporters religion, their children or their patriotism/freedom that they will be convinced that no one can question how irrational they are and that no one can make any changes to any laws that may affect them. GOP politicians now try to tie virtually everything to those three pillars.

Overlander wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 5:15 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 5:08 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 3:35 pm
Why make it as easy as possible for people to quickly and easily kill a lot of people in a shirt amount of time?

It's insane how many different reasons Conservatives roll out there to continue to be OK with all these kids being murdered. All while at the same time making "what about the safety of children" their rallying cry on other issues.

When it gets down to it, the real GOP platform seems to be "whatever Dem voters want, we want the opposite". It's fundamentally hypocritical and ignorant and results in nothing getting done to help anything or anyone.

one party wants to restrict your right to defend yourself against them

Ah yes, the boogeyman under the bed

Are you saying these shootings are imaginary?

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 6:50 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 7:56 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 5:08 pm

The GOP platform isn't shooting people. Neither is the democratic. Bad people are, bad people exist, akways have always will. one party wants to restrict your right to defend yourself against them

That is categorically false. There is ample middle ground to be had where work is put in to figure out how to limit the ability of mentally unstable people, along with people who have active restraining orders etc... from purchasing weapons without impacting the ability of the generic public in getting weapons whatsoever. You can also limit the sales of certain types of weapons and accessories without limiting a person's ability to buy A weapon.

The GOP platform is that that ANY attempt to pass ANY gun legislation is an attack on EVERYONE'S rights to buy ANY weapons. It's a straight up lie but it works on people like you who will believe just about anything that supports your arguments.

None of your “facts” and “logic” matter.

Doesn’t matter that assault rifles are shit home defense.

Doesn’t matter that the statistics bear out that homes with guns are more dangerous.

Doesn’t matter that the 2A, right there on paper, confers a qualified (not unlimited) right.

Doesn’t matter that the math means that the more guns in circulation, the cheaper and easier to get they are, by people everyone agrees shouldn’t have them.

Doesn’t matter that a bad guy with an AR can do so much more damage than a bad guy without one.

None of these things matters.

What matters is how the fuck your feelings crowd feels.

When you hear someone use the term "assault rifle" it's a dead give away they know nothing about guns

Shit home defense? How is possible these deadly weapons you wanna restrict are also bad at home defense at the same time

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 5:13 am Well, I have found many/most people who have lost loved ones to "gun violence" tend to want stricter gun laws/control. Many/most of those who haven't, tend to not. Therefore, I say let's hope more people get killed with/by "gun violence".

Not a "mass" shooting but a Cop was just shot a block away from my office.
Shame they couldn't have waited 3 hours so it could/would be another gun shot victim I could/would have seen in person. The hits just keep on coming.

https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/chica ... gold-coast

https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2024 ... gold-coast

Yep. Most people that have lost loved ones to anything tend to hate whatever they blame for the death. But doesn't mean you can make everything illegal

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:00 am

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 5:13 am Well, I have found many/most people who have lost loved ones to "gun violence" tend to want stricter gun laws/control. Many/most of those who haven't, tend to not. Therefore, I say let's hope more people get killed with/by "gun violence".

Not a "mass" shooting but a Cop was just shot a block away from my office.
Shame they couldn't have waited 3 hours so it could/would be another gun shot victim I could/would have seen in person. The hits just keep on coming.

https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/chica ... gold-coast

https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2024 ... gold-coast

Yep. Most people that have lost loved ones to anything tend to hate whatever they blame for the death. But doesn't mean you can make everything illegal

Very few people are trying to make guns illegal.
Let me ask you this, are you opposed to making it more difficult for people (both good people and bad people) to obtain guns? If so, why?

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 7:59 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 6:50 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 7:56 pm

That is categorically false. There is ample middle ground to be had where work is put in to figure out how to limit the ability of mentally unstable people, along with people who have active restraining orders etc... from purchasing weapons without impacting the ability of the generic public in getting weapons whatsoever. You can also limit the sales of certain types of weapons and accessories without limiting a person's ability to buy A weapon.

The GOP platform is that that ANY attempt to pass ANY gun legislation is an attack on EVERYONE'S rights to buy ANY weapons. It's a straight up lie but it works on people like you who will believe just about anything that supports your arguments.

None of your “facts” and “logic” matter.

Doesn’t matter that assault rifles are shit home defense.

Doesn’t matter that the statistics bear out that homes with guns are more dangerous.

Doesn’t matter that the 2A, right there on paper, confers a qualified (not unlimited) right.

Doesn’t matter that the math means that the more guns in circulation, the cheaper and easier to get they are, by people everyone agrees shouldn’t have them.

Doesn’t matter that a bad guy with an AR can do so much more damage than a bad guy without one.

None of these things matters.

What matters is how the fuck your feelings crowd feels.

When you hear someone use the term "assault rifle" it's a dead give away they know nothing about guns

Shit home defense? How is possible these deadly weapons you wanna restrict are also bad at home defense at the same time

My guess is Fish knows as much if not more about guns than you do. Heck, I would bet on it.

As far as your question, this helps shine some light on it.

https://www.thetrace.org/2023/08/ar15-r ... ting-data/

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 7:56 am

Overlander wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 5:15 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 5:08 pm
one party wants to restrict your right to defend yourself against them

Ah yes, the boogeyman under the bed

Are you saying these shootings are imaginary?

No, we're saying that the goal is not to restrict a random person's right to defend themselves. I am perfectly fine with sane, responsible people owning certain types of weapons to use in whatever legal fashion they want.

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 7:59 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 6:50 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 7:56 pm

That is categorically false. There is ample middle ground to be had where work is put in to figure out how to limit the ability of mentally unstable people, along with people who have active restraining orders etc... from purchasing weapons without impacting the ability of the generic public in getting weapons whatsoever. You can also limit the sales of certain types of weapons and accessories without limiting a person's ability to buy A weapon.

The GOP platform is that that ANY attempt to pass ANY gun legislation is an attack on EVERYONE'S rights to buy ANY weapons. It's a straight up lie but it works on people like you who will believe just about anything that supports your arguments.

None of your “facts” and “logic” matter.

Doesn’t matter that assault rifles are shit home defense.

Doesn’t matter that the statistics bear out that homes with guns are more dangerous.

Doesn’t matter that the 2A, right there on paper, confers a qualified (not unlimited) right.

Doesn’t matter that the math means that the more guns in circulation, the cheaper and easier to get they are, by people everyone agrees shouldn’t have them.

Doesn’t matter that a bad guy with an AR can do so much more damage than a bad guy without one.

None of these things matters.

What matters is how the fuck your feelings crowd feels.

When you hear someone use the term "assault rifle" it's a dead give away they know nothing about guns

Shit home defense? How is possible these deadly weapons you wanna restrict are also bad at home defense at the same time

Because they are so powerful that they will shoot through several walls and kill the family you were trying to protect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmXd88vO5R8

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 7:59 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 6:50 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 7:56 pm

That is categorically false. There is ample middle ground to be had where work is put in to figure out how to limit the ability of mentally unstable people, along with people who have active restraining orders etc... from purchasing weapons without impacting the ability of the generic public in getting weapons whatsoever. You can also limit the sales of certain types of weapons and accessories without limiting a person's ability to buy A weapon.

The GOP platform is that that ANY attempt to pass ANY gun legislation is an attack on EVERYONE'S rights to buy ANY weapons. It's a straight up lie but it works on people like you who will believe just about anything that supports your arguments.

None of your “facts” and “logic” matter.

Doesn’t matter that assault rifles are shit home defense.

Doesn’t matter that the statistics bear out that homes with guns are more dangerous.

Doesn’t matter that the 2A, right there on paper, confers a qualified (not unlimited) right.

Doesn’t matter that the math means that the more guns in circulation, the cheaper and easier to get they are, by people everyone agrees shouldn’t have them.

Doesn’t matter that a bad guy with an AR can do so much more damage than a bad guy without one.

None of these things matters.

What matters is how the fuck your feelings crowd feels.

When you hear someone use the term "assault rifle" it's a dead give away they know nothing about guns

Shit home defense? How is possible these deadly weapons you wanna restrict are also bad at home defense at the same time

You embarrass yourself on this topic, over and over and over again.

The purpose of the weapon is right there in the name. It is an offensive weapon. A highly effective one, obviously!

But, it is not what most people who have handled weapons a lot (myself included) would choose for home defense (in the context of just a normal, bring, regular urban or suburban home (or even apartment or condo)).

I cannot believe I have to do this, but: I think we would agree there are three broad categories of legal firearms in the United States: handguns, shotguns and rifles.

Of the three, two are CLEARLY best-suited for home defense. Handguns (because of higher capacity, weight, maneuverability and ease of storage) and shotguns (because of dispersal of shot). Rifles have the drawbacks of shotguns (weight, maneuverability and relative difficulty of storage), without the dispersal-of-shot benefit.

The only real, material advantage an assault rifle has over a shotgun in this context is higher capacity...but that is not an advantage with such real-life-scenario meaning that it's worth picking over a handgun (if you want capacity) or a shotgun.

Indeed, if you want to see where assault rifles really shine, you'd have to ask the thousands of ordinary Joes and Janes (children included) whose torsos and heads have been hollowed out by assailants with assault rifles.

Why does this matter so much? Why do the wacky libs like me (and my guns) keep coming back to this point?

Because the fact that lunatics like you look to unfettered access to assault rifles as something like a sacred entitlement - "taking them" being a line that must NEVER be crossed - makes plain that this is purely an emotional issue for you.

And I'm really, really fucking tired at instance after instance of children being hollowed out in service of your fragile, insecure, weak bullshit.

Right in the name? You do understand that AR doesn't even stand for assault rifle? Lol

Of you three groups of guns which one kills the most civilians? Hint: hand guns

Which our government will eventually try to take away or restrict too. It's already happened in other countries

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:16 am Right in the name? You do understand that AR doesn't even stand for assault rifle? Lol

Did I say "AR"?

Jesus Christ, take a few deep breaths. If literally all you have is taking a swing at a gotcha that isn't even there...just admit this is about emotion for you, and nothing more.